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Season Seven Seat Reservation
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: suzanne on May 30, 2013, 01:47:28 AM ---
What does this mean exactly?
but the merchandising fees are prohibitive on an £82.50 transaction
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It means the "rake" taken by the processing company would be excessive.
They take a fairly huge percentage and this would have to come out of the prize pool.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: BOINGBLITZ on May 30, 2013, 06:35:35 AM ---
I don"t really understand why we can"t return to the old system where the seats go onsale on a certain date and if you want in then you BUY one, not reserve one.
If not, then use what Andy says in that you pay £75 to enter up until say 2-3 weeks before the event. After that the cost goes up to £80.
I don"t believe it is fair to charge (possibly) 8 x £5 for loyalty for a season......and of course, when the WCOAP came around, that could / will mean you would pay an extra £30-£40 for the whole series on top of this??
No No No.
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APAT has no mechanism in place that can do this without substantial cost.
As Des mentioned, the buy-in through APAT Poker is unworkable and processing fees for other online payment options are prohibitively expensive.
One way or another we"d end up paying (as I understand it) an extra amount to either guarantee a place on the iist or buy-in early.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: AJDUK on May 30, 2013, 04:24:41 AM ---
Why can"t we just BACS the cash to an APAT bank a/c, and you then BACS it to the casino say 5 days before, then the remaining seats go on sale at the casino? Any drop outs need to seat transfer or forfeit if no takers. There must be a flaw in that I guess!
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At first glance, its sound like an optimal solution but it is fraught with administrative issues of it"s own.
Firstly, commercial banking is not free so it would cost APAT money to do this.
It would still involve manual lists.
What happens if a payment arrives after the deadline?
Etc.
I take your point about the hotel idea but none of them offer a "pay a small fee now and we guarantee you a room but we won"t charge you the full whack if you don"t turn up" option.
No, you have to pay in full up front and, as has been mentioned the various options for doing that are either too expensive or still involve a lot of administration that APAT is clearly trying to eliminate.
I"d rather NOT pay myself but I recognise that something has to change pending another solution coming along..ideally a revised buy-in procedure using APAT Poker.
Joker161:
My view is that £75 is an absolute steal for such a well organised and structured event. Plus you get to meet lots of great people (looking forward to GX tomorrow!).
Adding £5 to this cost for a guaranteed seat and to give APAT, who, I assume, do silly amounts of work behind the scenes, is a price very well worth paying.
Also, whenever I get the chance to play an event, travel and hotels bills dwarf this £5 charge.
SirPercival:
Firstly I think we should stress the point Des has made about consultation with members. This is one of the things that makes APAT great and we should be pleased that we can debate this before it is implemented rather than just moan about it after (which we will anyway!).
I am very much against this idea, but not for selfish reasons, as I am lucky enough to be in a position to pay extra for something I want and not bother enough to care if it was good value. Apologies if that sounds arrogant.
So my reason for not being in favour is because I don"t believe this would be in the long term interests of APAT.
Is APAT wanting to please its hardcore members who want to play every event at any cost? Those that read and contribute to the forum? Those that hit f5 until their finger bleeds on the day that Des says an announcement is going to be made? OR do they want to create a sustainable brand that appeals to all amateur players new and old. Attracts new players to the game and continues to influence the industry to provide good value for money to the average Jo poker player? (Des: I ask this every year - what is the vision? when you know this you can make decisions of whats best for APAT, when you have to guess/assume etc then its difficult to give an informed opinion in order to help those decisions)
So assuming that we are trying to appeal to the latter category of player as well as the former what is the benefit to them to pay an extra £5? what do APAT offer that the others do not? Why pay extra when I could go somewhere else?
I have said before that I fear APAT is losing it"s USP. It used to be rake free, this was unique. It still does offer well run good value deepstack tournaments but now so do many others. It still does innovate and try new formats but so do many others. It still does have a strong loyal community but so do many others. I think charging (albeit optional) extra for a seat is a USP, but not a positive one.
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