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Season Seven Seat Reservation
Paulie_D:
It"s great that options outside the box are being thought of but a big part of the issue is the transmission of funds to the casino (as Des mentioned).
All of these "part payment" options don"t take that into account.
I kind of like the reservation payment via the poker client idea though...that has possibilities.
AJDUK:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on May 30, 2013, 18:10:52 PM ---
It"s great that options outside the box are being thought of but a big part of the issue is the transmission of funds to the casino (as Des mentioned).
All of these "part payment" options don"t take that into account.
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If we play online satellites then money always has to be transferred to the casino. The question is how much "tagging on" of more funds makes this process unworkable?
Des:
I"m still in the office so not able to fully comment back on this guys, but thanks for all the suggestions. Providing alternative suggestions and ideas is always an ask, but plenty of ideas have been put across above - so thanks for those.
The ideal scenario for APAT:-
1) Keep the events open online until the last possible moment, ideally the evening before the event.
2) Offer the events with the shortest possible journey between becoming aware of them (on the home page) and committing to play - ie, don"t ask new players to wade through a 20 page thread and then have to download software etc, find a tournament tab, deposit funds, etc etc etc!
3) Remove as much of the admin as we can to enable us to get on with some more important stuff for the tour.
4) Avoid getting hit with charges from payment providers or currency transactions
5) Generate revenue for APAT.
Unfortunately the ideal scenario isn"t possible, so we"ll do the best we can with the menu of items above.
Keep the feedback coming please - but keep the above in mind!
A fiver for the best idea that"s put into operation.... ;)
AMRN:
I don"t think I like this idea at all. Whilst it may satisfy the APAT hardcore in that they can guarantee seats in what are usually highly popular tournaments, I can only see it being detrimental to growth. If I was looking at a tour that I hadn"t played before, and found one that was offering decent tourneys with 10% rake, and wanted to charge additional fees on top for the pleasure of reserving a seat, I suspect I would just go elsewhere and find an alternative (unlike five years ago, there are plenty of alternatives nowadays)
Once upon a time, APAT had the affordable deepstack market cornered - I don"t believe that"s the case any more. Being innovate with formats is what will keep the product fresh and highly marketable... not adding costs in what is a very delicate market (APAT is targetted at the Amateur player, and most Amateur players won"t have healthy bankrolls where £5 is inconsequential).
When the 10% rake was added to APAT tourneys, part of the special feel of APAT was removed. I fully understand and support the need for the rake in an ever changing climate where competition for poker (and sponsorship) has massively increased..... but APAT lost it"s ability to claim juice free poker. I think adding fees for the benefit of advance booking is a step too far in the other direction.
ajcairns:
--- Quote from: AMRN on May 30, 2013, 20:38:05 PM ---
I don"t think I like this idea at all. Whilst it may satisfy the APAT hardcore in that they can guarantee seats in what are usually highly popular tournaments, I can only see it being detrimental to growth. If I was looking at a tour that I hadn"t played before, and found one that was offering decent tourneys with 10% rake, and wanted to charge additional fees on top for the pleasure of reserving a seat, I suspect I would just go elsewhere and find an alternative (unlike five years ago, there are plenty of alternatives nowadays)
Once upon a time, APAT had the affordable deepstack market cornered - I don"t believe that"s the case any more. Being innovate with formats is what will keep the product fresh and highly marketable... not adding costs in what is a very delicate market (APAT is targetted at the Amateur player, and most Amateur players won"t have healthy bankrolls where £5 is inconsequential).
When the 10% rake was added to APAT tourneys, part of the special feel of APAT was removed. I fully understand and support the need for the rake in an ever changing climate where competition for poker (and sponsorship) has massively increased..... but APAT lost it"s ability to claim juice free poker. I think adding fees for the benefit of advance booking is a step too far in the other direction.
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I wrote and rewrote several posts in attempted to be more constructive than my last post (the £75 + £7.50 + £5 one) but I failed. The post above was just about exactly what I was trying to say.
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