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Live spot v Rodders from Coventry
MintTrav:
I don"t understand the 3-bet. He is unlikely to fold, so we are going to bloat the pot to play OOP with a hand that rarely flops well.
I had a similar situation on Saturday. Flatted with 77 and made my set on AJ7. He made his as well.
deanp27:
peeeeeeeel the open. I presume he has us covered?
3betting BB vs UTG against a positionally aware opponent seems a disaster.
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on July 01, 2013, 13:11:15 PM ---
peeeeeeeel the open. I presume he has us covered?
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Essential information really. If you"re the effective stack then it seems like a simple call.
--- Quote ---3betting BB vs UTG against a positionally aware opponent seems a disaster.
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Very much this. What was the thinking behind the 3-bet?
AAroddersAA:
I was hoping this one would run on a bit. To answer the above I THINK I started the hand with around 60K
The table dynamic and history between the players are important and significant here. I know Brian is a very good player who will be aware of what is happening at the table. He has seen me raise K4 and Q3 from EP. He also knows that my range for an early position range is larger than most players, also I have been active anyway raising a fair number of hands. I was also playing fairly well I think. Brian can set mine profitably here but he can also 3-bet here. It does look like a pretty decent 3-bet spot. If I call he can hit a disguised set as well.
Brian is usually a tight player but he is playing against me here, and will certainly know he may be able to get 3-bet through some of the time. I have raise/folded a couple of times, although I am at least calling a lot here as I am going to have position post flop. Brian is also aware of my game and understands that I can have total air that i might fold. Maybe a bigger 3-bet is better though?
As it is I don"t mind Brian"s 3-bet at all, I think he already got one through against me and he is very much playing me here and not his cards. As above he has seen me raise/fold. The only problem with it is that it looks just like a great spot to do that. I am actually fairly sure against a lot of players this works as Brian would be three betting a tight looking range (So Brian"s perceived range gets a lot stronger as well) but that"s not so much the case here and Brian is clearly good enough to add all this up. So it"s now a good spot to 4-bet, even with hands where I would normally only be calling.
Now I thought I 4-bet to 16K but I may not remember the hand right. I also thought Brian had about 35K at the start of the hand, again I may not be remembering this exactly though. I was obviously snapping if he shoved and expecting to be racing I actually raised smaller rather than shoving to try and look stronger (as that is the size of raise I would make with AA or KK).
I am holding AK in this hand, not sure 77 is ever in great shape against me when I am 4-betting UTG although with that many chips in the pot. I suppose I CAN have 66 sometimes, maybe, and a small percentage of air. I have usually got at least two overcards though, or an overpair.
I think the fold here is correct, more marginal than this spot normally is though with the two players involved. Love playing this kind of hand though.
AMRN:
I mis-read the OP and thought 77 was playing on the button. Yes I agree that calling from the BB to set mine is a perfectly reasonable play, and I reckon that"s exactly what I would do in this spot. Also, from the blinds, the 3bet is even less likely for me.... from the button perhaps, but not from the blinds. The size of the 3bet leaves Rodders with a mandatory call (at least) and position post flop.
Here"s another question though. As I said earlier up this thread, I hate playing 30bb stack (too small to play speculatively, and too big to shove). At what point does the stack become a legitimate shoving stack against a single raise? In this particular example, if there have been a couple of callers on the way round, it could well be a reasonable play to shove 32x...... but perhaps not against a single player. We often hear that 20bb is the perfect steal/shove stack size.... is that about right? or is it more/less?
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