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Live spot v Rodders from Coventry
AMRN:
I don"t like to 3bet here - gotta give some respect to the utg raise, even if it is Rodders. All the 3bet does is makes worse hands fold, and gives better hands (and bluffs) the opportunity to 4bet - and you can only really fold to the 4bet. Open-calling with 77 is feasible, but you"re not deep enough to set mine...... It"s an open-fold for me.
As played, easy fold. Shoving is never going to be profitable - can you really see Rodders 4bet folding UTG? So, if you shove, you probably get to showdown, and you"re hoping to be 50% at best.
mporter123:
Steve - do you fold 77 but call 88, 99, 1010 here?
Erimus:
As Mark said he had previously shown k4 as a utg raise and had to show because a short stack shoved, he had to call the shove based on pot odds.
With circa 30 bigs although it"s ok we still need to chip up to go deep, he had seen me flat with QQ in the bb earlier, I know he is now probably not raising as light because of the K4 hand, because of my image I think he folds AJ, poss AQ when he repops me the range I am putting him on is 10 10 plus AK, I wasnt going to call if he repopped me, my decision had been made before I 3 bet, think flatting is fine and another game i will flat but decided to go for the money already in the pot.
20 bigs I will take the flip hopefully, 30 bigs made the decision a bit more awkward.
Again if he flats and I do hit my miracle card, I think they call them sets, never seen one before, lol the pot is now bigger, he probably c bets most flops then it would be difficult for him to get away from it.
I tell a lie there I did hit a set with 88 in that tourney.
We have to win flips to win tourneys at some point, even tens and jacks would be difficult to call here as well, sometimes we gotta go with it, I decided not to at this point, Rodders didn"t show but I asked him if I was dominated or flipping, he said flipping, I assume AK or AQ, wp Rodders, stuck it in my eye.
AMRN:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on July 01, 2013, 11:24:24 AM ---
Steve - do you fold 77 but call 88, 99, 1010 here?
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The question is, are we deep enough to set mine profitably, and I don"t think we are. So the question for 77-TT is still whether or not we are ahead of the UTG range. If we 3bet TT, and Rodder"s 4bets, do we still fold? If the answer"s yes, then we"re playing our hand as a bluff. If we decide that TT might be good against Rodders" UTG range, and we flat call, and the flop comes 9 high, what do we do when Rodders leads out for an amount that commits him to the pot, or what do we do when Rodders check/raises to set us all in? So, no I don"t call with 88, 99, or TT in this spot. I hate playing a stack around 30x - it"s too shallow to speculate with, and too deep to shove. Interesting spot, and one where I acknowledge that I struggle.
dwh103:
You can definitely set mine profitably from the BB here. From other positions it is a little harder but you"re getting a 50% "discount" and closing the action.
At 500/1000/100 (? I don"t really do antes) Brian has to call 1200 into 4700. If you call here you only need to win ~4k when you do hit in the long run to break even. That"s assuming we"re just looking to set mine and we don"t win the pot in any other way.
Whilst I do prefer a call as those darned sets are sometimes so difficult to spot there are some situations where you can use your image and/or Villain tendencies to 3b as long as you"re aware of the pros and cons of each. I"ve never actually spent a great deal of time at the table with Rodders, but based on his strategy musings I don"t think he"s the correct Villain to be getting creative with here. In position it"s a very different story but from the blinds it"s extra fruity - good advertising though ;)
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