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Live spot v Rodders from Coventry
Jon MW:
Aren"t there ante"s in play at this level?
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 01, 2013, 20:40:49 PM ---
Aren"t there ante"s in play at this level?
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Yes, why? ;D
Craig, it was before you got there mate.
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on July 01, 2013, 21:12:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 01, 2013, 20:40:49 PM ---
Aren"t there ante"s in play at this level?
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Yes, why? ;D
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People talking about a re-shoving stack in terms of 30 bigs. If there are antes then it should be M and I would suspect it would make it easily the right size stack for a reshove. Not that I would in this spot because I don"t think it would give enough fold equity against an utg raise; but the ante"s definitely change the maths and nobody seemed to be taking them in to account.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Zozzy on July 01, 2013, 16:59:45 PM ---
Yes we do miss an opportunity if we fold pre imo.
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Would love to hear a more detailed description of the merits of this opportunity?
--- Quote from: Zozzy ---
We don"t always need to have 7/1 odds anyway in mtts to set mine. (I think cash game play is different but that"s another subject).
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This is totally incorrect.
Set mining is an implied odds equation, a basic poker fundamental. The bottom line is that we hit a set only once every ~9 times, so to breakeven, we need to win ~8 times the bet when we do hit our set!
--- Quote from: Zozzy ---
Also my opinion on 30bb shoves to a single raise is fine, as witnessed by my opponents on more than one occasion in Coventry. This play is not simply about maths but also creating table image.
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Unfortunately this one size fits all strategy ignores the many complex scenarios that factor into
correct poker decisions. All poker decisions are about maths and only maths.
Table image isn"t much use on the rail.
--- Quote from: Zozzy ---
On paper the 3bet pre is incorrect, but he fact that rodders is the opponent does play a part in the decision.
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Not sure of your point here really, let"s assume that the decision we face is whether we 3b bluff , let"s also assume that 3b bluffing is not our default play versus an unknown utg open raise.
how does "the fact that rodders is the opponent" impact on us choosing an option other than our default decision?
Zozzy:
Wow! Snapper you have completely dissected my answer. Have I upset you? (with my "miss an opportunity" comment?) Or maybe you just generally disagree with my points of view on this hand?
Either way you have asked me to give a more detailed explanation and I will do my best, in my humble opinion.
It could be quite a long response lol :D
We don"t know each other but when I have ever read your posts previously on poker strategy I seem to remember that I generally agreed with your views and you know what you"re talking about, so I am surprised that you fundamentally disagree with my thoughts here.
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