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Live spot v Rodders from Coventry
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: SirPercival on July 02, 2013, 11:55:53 AM ---
Is having a really good read on your opponent still just Maths?
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yes, you make your actions based on probability. If you have a read on them then that increases the probability that they"ll react in a certain way to what you"re doing.
Joker161:
I agree with Zozzy.
Cash - you do the Maths, it doesn"t work out, you re-load. If your Maths is right, you win over the long-term. End of.
Tournament - especially early to mid tournie, survival is the key. I sometimes fold when the Maths is close, or marginally in favour of a call. Especially when the buy-in is big. Perhaps if you"re playing 20 $10 MTTs a day the Maths is dominant, but I only play one WSOP a year, so I need to be more careful!
SirPercival:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 02, 2013, 12:15:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: SirPercival on July 02, 2013, 11:55:53 AM ---
Is having a really good read on your opponent still just Maths?
--- End quote ---
yes, you make your actions based on probability. If you have a read on them then that increases the probability that they"ll react in a certain way to what you"re doing.
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If the probablity is changing because of a read then it"s not JUST maths. The information is being taken into account as part of the calculations I accept, but the information itself is not maths.
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: SirPercival on July 02, 2013, 12:59:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 02, 2013, 12:15:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: SirPercival on July 02, 2013, 11:55:53 AM ---
Is having a really good read on your opponent still just Maths?
--- End quote ---
yes, you make your actions based on probability. If you have a read on them then that increases the probability that they"ll react in a certain way to what you"re doing.
--- End quote ---
If the probablity is changing because of a read then it"s not JUST maths. The information is being taken into account as part of the calculations I accept, but the information itself is not maths.
--- End quote ---
You don"t need to enumerate a bunch of numbers for it to be maths, if it"s a factor that affects the probability then it"s part of the "sum" whether you"re using numbers or not.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 02, 2013, 13:04:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: SirPercival on July 02, 2013, 12:59:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jon MW on July 02, 2013, 12:15:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: SirPercival on July 02, 2013, 11:55:53 AM ---
Is having a really good read on your opponent still just Maths?
--- End quote ---
yes, you make your actions based on probability. If you have a read on them then that increases the probability that they"ll react in a certain way to what you"re doing.
--- End quote ---
If the probablity is changing because of a read then it"s not JUST maths. The information is being taken into account as part of the calculations I accept, but the information itself is not maths.
--- End quote ---
You don"t need to enumerate a bunch of numbers for it to be maths, if it"s a factor that affects the probability then it"s part of the "sum" whether you"re using numbers or not.
--- End quote ---
We are kind of arguing over semantics here guy"s. Yes, it is strictly speaking maths, it is not what most people think of as being part of the maths though, even though it is. Calling it just Maths is technically correct but not the best description for most poker players.
Pretty sure we all mean the same thing here and know what we mean :-)
Essentially a good read makes what would normally be a marginal mathematical call easier. Call it what you want, both sides are saying the same thing.
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