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Live spot v Rodders from Coventry
Jon MW:
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I completely disagree with the concept that maths is the be all and end all in multi-table tourneys.
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This is a ridiculous statement.
--- Quote from: Zozzy on July 02, 2013, 00:16:31 AM ---
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We don"t differ much in our calculation % for hitting the set (1 in 8, 1 in 9 approx) but my argument is that this is set in stone for winning Cash Game strategy but in MTTs there is more to consider, the chance to bust a dangerous opponent or create a "don"t F--k with me image for instance.
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That"s still maths
George2Loose:
The fact is that when you re shove 30 bigs your opponent cannot call very often so you"re either losing value or essentially bluffing with a hand (77) that is most likely dead when you"re called so you may as well have 82o
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on July 02, 2013, 00:09:43 AM ---
Quick question.
Why 4 bet him for half his stack? If he 5 bet shoves you cant like your AK that much but you have priced yourself in? Is a shove from you not a better option? Put the choice onto Brian?
Probably a stupid question, and this comes from someone who donated half my stack to Andy Cairns in a similar situation.
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It is more habit than anything else I guess, it is what I do with my 4-betting range in this spot. I knew I was calling if he shoved and I knew I had little chance of being in good shape if that happened but it is no different than if I shoved and he called and it does balance and widen my range for when I do this with AA (which I would). So it makes future spots like this more difficult for my opponents.
I am guess it makes very little difference, I don"t think there are any 5-bet bluffs in Brian"s range here and his range for shoving here is likely to be pretty much the same as his range for calling if my 4-bet had been a shove.
I think overall this makes my 4-bet size slightly better than if I had just shoved but again it is a good discussion point and one I am pretty open to changing my mind about if somebody can give a good argument as to why 4-bet shoving is better here.
deanp27:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on July 01, 2013, 16:36:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: deanp27 on July 01, 2013, 16:16:32 PM ---
If we call we don"t necessarily have to flop a set to win.
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Would you expect that we would check fold a lot of flops? yes quite a few but don"t think its purely "no set no bet" plus we can flop other equity such as gutshots & overpair etc that will give opportunity to play our hand strongly
Care to estimate how often % we may have to check fold? Not at the moment, at work but i"m sure someone can run it through Flopzilla or something. However it is less than 100% which is why I made my comment regarding those "purely setmining"
Sometimes, rarely? We will check call the flop and find ourselves in a really tough spot. Agreed. Don"t Really know Rodders that much and what his hand reading/propensity to barrel is like
Do we really give up much opportunity by just folding pre-flop? Not really but still prefer peeling and proceeding with caution over folding with our stack
I am certain that we can find better resteal bluff spots. Oh without a doubt, loads of better spots. I never advocated restealing as I said 3 betting was an utter disaster. FWIW shoving would be bad also
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Just quick thoughts above. I merely made the post in reference to those that were saying that peeling is purely to hit a set.
SirPercival:
Is having a really good read on your opponent still just Maths?
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