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Line Check - 180 man turbo
deanp27:
Generally i"d just jam over min/calling as people peel a lot and I rather take the free chips than encourage someone with 44 to jam over my open.
KarmaDope:
What Dean said.
People will peel mins too often for this to be profitable. Not something I do, but a thought, if we have AA/KK/AK in this spot is anyone tempted to limp to induce as the top 5 stacks are all roughly the same and a lot of regs will jam light over limpers?
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: sharplea on September 13, 2013, 14:54:58 PM ---
What Dean said.
People will peel mins too often for this to be profitable. Not something I do, but a thought, if we have AA/KK/AK in this spot is anyone tempted to limp to induce as the top 5 stacks are all roughly the same and a lot of regs will jam light over limpers?
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The regs I have seen at this level are likely to just limp in behind the 2 callers.
Shoving takes the pot now unless someone wakes up behind with a monster
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: sharplea on September 13, 2013, 14:54:58 PM ---
What Dean said.
People will peel mins too often for this to be profitable. Not something I do, but a thought, if we have AA/KK/AK in this spot is anyone tempted to limp to induce as the top 5 stacks are all roughly the same and a lot of regs will jam light over limpers?
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I would rather min raise to induce, I am not convinced it works but if it does AQ is a perfectly good hand to do it with. If you shove then AA, KK, QQ and AK all shove anyway and we call anyway so the result is the same as shoving but you give the hands like TJs and KQ the chance to reshove on you where they will just fold to a shove. Yes you will sometimes end up racing with 55 and the likes which MIGHT have folded to a shove but to be honest they call it off quite often anyway. We will sometimes get flat called of course but we will have the best hand almost all the time when this happens and will be profitable long term.
I don"t think we get too many regs shoving light to be honest it just does not happen very often but with a hand like AQ and possibly AJ we don"t lose anything by trying this.
Shoving is certainly +EV but raise calling may well be more +EV I am thinking. The idea is not to win the pot now but maximize our expectation. Sometimes winning the pot now does not do that.
Sillbags:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on September 14, 2013, 01:23:42 AM ---
--- Quote from: sharplea on September 13, 2013, 14:54:58 PM ---
What Dean said.
People will peel mins too often for this to be profitable. Not something I do, but a thought, if we have AA/KK/AK in this spot is anyone tempted to limp to induce as the top 5 stacks are all roughly the same and a lot of regs will jam light over limpers?
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I would rather min raise to induce, I am not convinced it works but if it does AQ is a perfectly good hand to do it with. If you shove then AA, KK, QQ and AK all shove anyway and we call anyway so the result is the same as shoving but you give the hands like TJs and KQ the chance to reshove on you where they will just fold to a shove. Yes you will sometimes end up racing with 55 and the likes which MIGHT have folded to a shove but to be honest they call it off quite often anyway. We will sometimes get flat called of course but we will have the best hand almost all the time when this happens and will be profitable long term.
I don"t think we get too many regs shoving light to be honest it just does not happen very often but with a hand like AQ and possibly AJ we don"t lose anything by trying this.
Shoving is certainly +EV but raise calling may well be more +EV I am thinking. The idea is not to win the pot now but maximize our expectation. Sometimes winning the pot now does not do that.
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This is my line of thinking, but interested on how you would play a hand like AT in this spot?
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