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$2.50 180 man
mporter123:
We do seem very glass half empty.
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on November 19, 2013, 20:18:44 PM ---
We can"t really put in much and then fold.
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I disagree. I will put in chips when I think I am winning, if I think I am losing then I will fold (hopefully). In the case you describe then I would likely check call flop and turn and then, yes, fold river. I have lost some chips, oh dear. That is the worst case scenario though.
There will be lots of lovely scenarios where I can check call down, the river goes check check and we win. Lots of scenarios where the flop is checked round, and we get two streets of value from the station on the turn and river. Lots of scenarios where we can make make neatly disguised flushes, two pairs, straights etc.
I watched a video you made playing like a lunatic on the cash table. Yes this is different but I know your not scared of playing through the streets, even more so when we have a solid read that a bad player is in the pot and we will have position on him. I think your underestimating how much of an edge you have post flop, we can"t exploit that edge if our cards are in the muck.
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on November 19, 2013, 20:30:36 PM ---
We do seem very glass half empty.
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on November 19, 2013, 20:18:44 PM ---
We can"t really put in much and then fold.
--- End quote ---
I disagree. I will put in chips when I think I am winning, if I think I am losing then I will fold (hopefully). In the case you describe then I would likely check call flop and turn and then, yes, fold river. I have lost some chips, oh dear. That is the worst case scenario though.
There will be lots of lovely scenarios where I can check call down, the river goes check check and we win. Lots of scenarios where the flop is checked round, and we get two streets of value from the station on the turn and river. Lots of scenarios where we can make make neatly disguised flushes, two pairs, straights etc.
I watched a video you made playing like a lunatic on the cash table. Yes this is different but I know your not scared of playing through the streets, even more so when we have a solid read that a bad player is in the pot and we will have position on him. I think your underestimating how much of an edge you have post flop, we can"t exploit that edge if our cards are in the muck.
--- End quote ---
Im going to agree with Rodders here.
No need to get yourself in spots you dont need to in these. Flop big and bet them to death. No need to get fancy, people play these tournaments all arse about face. They play mental early doors and nit up later. Preserve your chips to the later stages and then take full advantage when they dont understand shove/call ranges. Dont make it more difficult than you need to.
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on November 20, 2013, 00:30:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: mporter123 on November 19, 2013, 20:30:36 PM ---
We do seem very glass half empty.
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on November 19, 2013, 20:18:44 PM ---
We can"t really put in much and then fold.
--- End quote ---
I disagree. I will put in chips when I think I am winning, if I think I am losing then I will fold (hopefully). In the case you describe then I would likely check call flop and turn and then, yes, fold river. I have lost some chips, oh dear. That is the worst case scenario though.
There will be lots of lovely scenarios where I can check call down, the river goes check check and we win. Lots of scenarios where the flop is checked round, and we get two streets of value from the station on the turn and river. Lots of scenarios where we can make make neatly disguised flushes, two pairs, straights etc.
I watched a video you made playing like a lunatic on the cash table. Yes this is different but I know your not scared of playing through the streets, even more so when we have a solid read that a bad player is in the pot and we will have position on him. I think your underestimating how much of an edge you have post flop, we can"t exploit that edge if our cards are in the muck.
--- End quote ---
Im going to agree with Rodders here.
No need to get yourself in spots you dont need to in these. Flop big and bet them to death. No need to get fancy, people play these tournaments all **** about face. They play mental early doors and nit up later. Preserve your chips to the later stages and then take full advantage when they dont understand shove/call ranges. Dont make it more difficult than you need to.
--- End quote ---
When did you get all technical? xxx
AAroddersAA:
OK how much of the decision is based around the fish being in the pot. If we know that when we hit the Ace to top pair he is calling us down very light then I suppose it is OK. We need to be pretty certain of our read though.
I am really not sure there will be lot"s of scebarios where you can check/call down and it goes check/check there might be but I don"t think you gain a massive amount of chips here. There are not lots of scenarios where you make a monster though. A flush draw will get complex to play OOP against the OR, you need a perfect flop for a straight and the two pair happens very rarely. Also the fish folds if they have nothing anyway a lot of the time. When all is said and done what we are doing is playing a marginal hand out of position which can never be good.
Don"t know I could be completely wrong here but I am fairly confident I am not. We are creating a complex situation we don"t need too which will hurt us more often than it helps us (I do this far too much). I am not a fan of waiting for better spots but this might be one time to do it.
Playing down the streets here is totally different to playing the streets in a cash game. Some of what I do in a cash game would never enter my head in one of these. These games are just not that complex. Just push and call the right ranges and you win (eventually). Remember it is better to be in two tournaments with 1500 in chips each than one with 3000 chips. I don"t think we win enough here to compensate for what we lose (even if it is more).
Good discussion though, don"t think there is a way to resolve it unfortunately but it does go to show there is more than one way of playing the game and both can be successful.
Anybody else any ideas?
pokerpops:
Call pre
fold flop
or,
call pre
raise flop
bet turn
jam river
register for another one
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