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$2.50 180 man
mporter123:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on November 19, 2013, 16:43:03 PM ---
Personally I fold AQ as well, although that might not be exactly right.
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I agree about playing snug early pre antes but really?? Your folding AQ to a single raise from the button and a cold caller from the station small blind????? This is a $2.50 sit n go, lots of people playing them will have no idea! Why would we want to fold such a massive hand?
Your basically saying don"t play any hands for the first 3 levels. I want to get involved with players that I think I have an edge against regardless of the tournament level. I think I will win a lot more big pots than I will lose them and I am not stacking off on Ace high boards when I call with this type of hand.
As a general principle, I agree, in these $2.50"s play tight in the early levels and then just do the shove thing but I am not going to pass up decent situations to win lots of small pots - they might be small but they add up. I think all options pre are fine, for me the hand is too big to fold.
I agree that we can debate A10s being a call pre just about, but never AQ.
This hand specifically is spewy, flop is clearly just a fold. He snapped the river with J10 btw.
mporter123:
--- Quote from: wizzlet on November 19, 2013, 17:28:09 PM ---
Previous posts are spot on, calling in bb with ATs is a leak in these tournies, and tricky to play post flop too. I also bin AQo here because of its small gain or potentially big loss implications. Better to not dribble away chips and keep a good stack for later.
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I would need the most specific read ever not to 3b AQ for pure value here.
We have a read that the SB is a station, he is likely to call with dominated Aces along with much worse and we can win full stacks.
Ignoring the butchered hand history, I also disagree that ATs is that tricky to play post flop - especially when we know a fish is in the hand.
Somebody tell me I am approaching these all wrong if I am.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on November 19, 2013, 17:39:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on November 19, 2013, 16:43:03 PM ---
Personally I fold AQ as well, although that might not be exactly right.
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Your basically saying don"t play any hands for the first 3 levels. I want to get involved with players that I think I have an edge against regardless of the tournament level. I think I will win a lot more big pots than I will lose them and I am not stacking off on Ace high boards when I call with this type of hand.
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Yes that is what I am saying, play AA, KK, QQ and JJ play AK (don"t bother with set mining in most cases unless the odds are just ridiculously good - eg you are in the BB and UTG has min raised and whole table has called). If you don"t hit top pair shut down and give up (aka check/fold). Not playing AQ might be a bit tight as I said but I am happy with it to be honest (actually I would open with it if it folds to me OTB on in the cut off). However I would not be critical of anybody playing it. If you are going too though don"t 3-bet it flat call and only proceed if you hit the flop. Against calling stations they peel, you miss the flop most of the time and have no clue where you are.
As for not stacking off on ace high boards, if I call a raise with AK (as I would just flat that hand) I am absolutely planning to stack off with it on an ace high board. I guess AQ could be played the same way. Would you stack off on a 10 high board with AT? How about a Jack high board with AJ? Problem is how do you play it when the Cbet comes in and then the station calls. You can"t fold, I don"t like raising and you only have 1500 chips. We got a 180 pot and the cbet is often around 120, if the fish calls I assume you just call then you end up with a 540 pot, a hand that might be best and ~1350 chips behind. The turn is safe and we check I assume and the button bets 250, what now? Do we fold? That feels too weak. Call? Well OK but we have to fold to a shove OTR? We have put one third of our chips in the pot and then fold.
This is the reason I think at least AT and AJ have to be folds. AQ for me is the discussion hand. I WANT to get all the chips in the middle when I hit the top pair. I don"t want to end up having to fold the hand as I lose too many chips in the process. In a standard stars tournament where I start with 3K or 5K and have much more time (15 min clock) I play it your way. Not in these though they are different and chip preservation is key.
Good post by the way and interesting discussion.
mporter123:
I agree about wanting to get all the chips in with AQ/AK hands on an Ace high flop.
I was making the point that if I flat ATs in the big blind and the flop comes Axx, I am not going to be going broke every time to bigger Aces that dominate me.
The discussion with AQ is 3b or call, I am sure its never ever open fold in this spot, even more so when we know we have a station in the SB. When we get to 50/100 - what difference has folding every hand before made and having 1500 chips to shove rather than playing some hands before, perhaps losing a couple of pots, and having 1200 chips to shove? We have preserved an extra 300 chips but what has that actually got us? Worth the added fold equity?
Posted the hand on Blonde too so the wizards can take a look.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on November 19, 2013, 20:05:03 PM ---
I agree about wanting to get all the chips in with AQ/AK hands on an Ace high flop.
I was making the point that if I flat ATs in the big blind and the flop comes Axx, I am not going to be going broke every time to bigger Aces that dominate me.
The discussion with AQ is 3b or call, I am sure its never ever open fold in this spot, even more so when we know we have a station in the SB. When we get to 50/100 - what difference has folding every hand before made and having 1500 chips to shove rather than playing some hands before, perhaps losing a couple of pots, and having 1200 chips to shove? We have preserved an extra 300 chips but what has that actually got us? Worth the added fold equity?
Posted the hand on Blonde too so the wizards can take a look.
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So what is the plan on an Ace high flop? What about a 10 high flop? What are you doing when he cbets and the SB calls? How are you then going to proceed on the turn? Considering our small starting stacks these pots can get quite big quite quick. We only start with 75BB and after 5 mins we only have 50. We can"t really put in much and then fold.
The difference between having around 1400 chips and 1200 chips is we have an extra 400 after we double through and that is quite significant. Every double through is bigger or we have a little more time. The opposite is also true of course if you win an extra 300 chips but the chips you win just seem less valuable than the ones you lose and with marginal hands you get in tough spots where you lose more than just 300 chips.
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