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WCOAP TEAM EVENT
Mikeyboy9361:
FWIW and risking offending or upsetting last years victorious England Team, I would be very disappointed if other English players were not given the opportunity to represent England in this years event. Some of you have been lucky enough to play these events on many occasions, and others only once, but there are many capable players out there that never seem to get a look in, and to go with the "We won it last year so we"re playing again this year" is wrong IMO.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on December 11, 2013, 16:50:19 PM ---
FWIW and risking offending or upsetting last years victorious England Team, I would be very disappointed if other English players were not given the opportunity to represent England in this years event. Some of you have been lucky enough to play these events on many occasions, and others only once, but there are many capable players out there that never seem to get a look in, and to go with the "We won it last year so we"re playing again this year" is wrong IMO.
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That, I think, is another subject from the question being posed.
Team selection is the Captain"s decision.
Team size....is APAT's
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: fandango on December 11, 2013, 16:42:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on December 11, 2013, 15:19:11 PM ---
This is a difficult one. It does seem a shame that the England team are not able to defend their championship. We do have to look at the bigger picture though. The player pool and situation England have is far from being the norm.
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I have to disagree to some point here... Look at the strength of numbers the welsh have for example, I could easily name at least 10 players who would grace any international team, and I"m in no doubt that at least 5 or 6 will be at WCOAP.. It seems as have been said that they would rather play individual events because of the money situation..
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OK, I can understand this (to a certain extent). However looking at it from a lot of peoples point of view, they need to be away from home and book valuable holiday from work for extra time to play the international event. This also comes with the additional expense of having to book extra nights in hotels and being away from partners and children for times like August Bank Holiday and Easter.
For an England player who has been selected for England as a one off and it is a really big deal (being selected to play for England in WCOAP means a lot and anybody selected should feel rightly proud) I can imagine the players are more than happy to do this and partners being happy to look after children ect so they can do it.
Doing the same a couple of times each year to play for Wales is a bit of a different ask and let"s be honest it is not the same as being picked for England (it hurts to say that but being selected for Wales is just not as hard as being selected for England). There are players who have played events for Wales almost every season since the beginning of APAT (doing all of the above each time) and I can understand why they may wish to do their own thing for a couple of seasons. If this is the situation in Wales I can only think it is even harder for the international teams.
At the end of the day I am still confident Wales will put a competitive team out there in April. Possibly even our best team but I would have no issue with any of those guys saying they did not want to play due to the above reasons. I am guessing if Paul is available to take over the team in April his thoughts would be along the same lines, although I would not want to speak for him.
With this in mind 4 players is a better number than 5. I have said for a long time that there should be an England A and B team due to the sheer size of the player pool, too many deserving players miss out because of this.
The squad of 5 players with 4 playing each round makes sense to me also.
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on December 11, 2013, 16:50:19 PM ---
FWIW and risking offending or upsetting last years victorious England Team, I would be very disappointed if other English players were not given the opportunity to represent England in this years event. Some of you have been lucky enough to play these events on many occasions, and others only once, but there are many capable players out there that never seem to get a look in, and to go with the "We won it last year so we"re playing again this year" is wrong IMO.
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I think it should absolutely be the same team. They were a GREAT team who 100% deserved to win the event. The event would be better if they were in it again defending their title. They just have everything that a team needs, if they do play again and everybody plays to their absolute best and the cards break even. Well I can only think of one group of players who can beat them.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on December 11, 2013, 17:11:26 PM ---
I think it should absolutely be the same team. They were a GREAT team who 100% deserved to win the event. The event would be better if they were in it again defending their title. They just have everything that a team needs, if they do play again and everybody plays to their absolute best and the cards break even. Well I can only think of one group of players who can beat them.
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Completely disagree...no matter how much the squad wants to repeat.
If the format of the event changed...say new sub-events were introduced/substituted (Razz, Stud, Shove-happeny) why would the same squad be needed? The skillset has changed...so should the squad.
Even if the format were exactly the same, why exclude new players...I can"t think of any international team game where this is the case from one year to the next.
I get the desire for champions to repeat but England won a country based event....if a more "qualified" (based on whatever criteria are used) squad exists...that new squad should get the nod.
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on December 11, 2013, 16:50:19 PM ---
FWIW and risking offending or upsetting last years victorious England Team, I would be very disappointed if other English players were not given the opportunity to represent England in this years event. Some of you have been lucky enough to play these events on many occasions, and others only once, but there are many capable players out there that never seem to get a look in, and to go with the "We won it last year so we"re playing again this year" is wrong IMO.
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As one of last year"s team, I like Carl, am obv biased.
When I was told that it was going to be 4 members to a team, and what that meant to us, I was totally gutted.
Nearly every other team who has won it has had the opportunity to defend it, we can"t do to the number in the team now, but even if it were five to a team why should we be punished for being English?
If we hadn"t won it, I very much doubt I would have applied to play for England again, as I have been privallaged to do it 4 times, getting a gold, sol we and bronze medal whilst doing so. The pride that I have felt each time has been immense, but I would have not applied to let other people have a go. Hardly the typical selfish England international :p
If other team have agreed that they could get another player, then why not go for it? There is loads of time to sort it out if we start now!!! I just really hope it is considered.
Forgive spelling mistakes, I"m on my phone!!
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