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WCOAP TEAM EVENT
AAroddersAA:
This is a difficult one. It does seem a shame that the England team are not able to defend their championship. We do have to look at the bigger picture though. The player pool and situation England have is far from being the norm.
Realistically the team event clashes with the best event of the year and by asking people to play in this event you are asking them to skip the majority of WCOAP. This makes it hard for small player pools to get enough players. Taking Wales as an example, I am not sure what is happening with the Welsh team for WCOAP or if there will even be one but a lot of the players in Wales, who have played in the past, feel they have now been there and done that and would rather focus on the individual events. When you have a small player pool this is always going to happen. Also the cost of the team event is equal to two side events, that"s without the cost of the shirts. This makes it harder to get the players on board also.
The other issue that it brings up is that trying to put a team together you really don"t want to be picking players to effectively "make the numbers up". You want all teams to be as competitive as possible. If I am captain of Wales for example for the WCOAP I would absolutely not pick myself whatever. I am not very good at the formats of these events and if I picked myself even to just make up the numbers it would effectively be asking the other players I pick to pay the considerable cost of a team event and miss other high quality events whilst at a disadvantage against the other teams. Based on this you have to try and select a fully competitive team without weak links and again this is harder from a small player pool. A number of players have mentioned to me they would rather not play due to the event being -EV.
Based on all of the above I would suggest overall a 4 person team is better than a 5 person team.
CW86:
Probably the wrong thread for this, so i apologise if i take away from the discussion here, but here is an idea that was suggested to Des a while back and wonder what you guys would think.
A good point is made that to participate in the the team event a player is unable to participate in the individual events at the worlds, which to me is a massive shame. The solution we suggested was that groups of people would join and pay a team fee or registration - which would then go towards a team prizepool. (if players wanted to participate in a team, but didnt have enough people they could also be put into a pool where teams could be drawn etc)
A team could consist of 5 to as many players as was wanted. The team would then submit 4 names prior to each side event who they wished to represent them, with the finishing places in the side events scored appropriately.
This would allow full participation in the individual events, but would still create a strong team bond and continue to foster the great Apat spirit.
Thoughts???
fandango:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on December 11, 2013, 15:03:29 PM ---
I would fully understand the very same Team defending the title for England but it has to be acknowledged, there are many many top players that haven"t had the good fortune to taste that experience. Should these players be a consideration?
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Yes Brendan I agree 100% about considering giving new players a taste of the experience, when I captained the forum team last season I made sure the team had players who had never had the opportunity to play before, as I did in the recent home internationals, it was my goal that to help new players get a foot on the first rung of the ladder hopefully I achieved this when Dan, And Joe was picked, likewise Liam, Dave and Brian in the forum team..I"m obv speaking from the heart in this thread and my views are going to be biased.
Also Steve it was discussed recently at ECOAP about the Welsh situation, and shooting from the hip here it saddens me to think some guys are for going the "financial" factor of playing individual events rather than the pride of representing their homeland, but each to their own I guess.
LombBomb:
I think that countries should have the option of choosing a squad of 5 but only 4 playing in any one round. This eliminates the problem of countries only having 4 players as they"d all play each round anyway. Having a squad of 5 also creates a dynamic where the captain has a tactical decision to make as to who to leave out for each particular round.
fandango:
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on December 11, 2013, 15:19:11 PM ---
This is a difficult one. It does seem a shame that the England team are not able to defend their championship. We do have to look at the bigger picture though. The player pool and situation England have is far from being the norm.
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I have to disagree to some point here... Look at the strength of numbers the welsh have for example, I could easily name at least 10 players who would grace any international team, and I"m in no doubt that at least 5 or 6 will be at WCOAP.. It seems as have been said that they would rather play individual events because of the money situation..
Scotland, obv are in the same boat and have many very talented individuals who could represent their homeland..
Yes England are always going to have the most players to choose from, but I guess that shouldn"t really effect the outcome at the end of the day it"s only 5 to choose just makes the skippers job harder.
I"m just speaking from feedback gained at ECOAP from the other 7 countries , Cz, Germany, Belgium, Slovakia, Italy, France and the Swiss..
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