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WCOAP TEAM EVENT
MintTrav:
I would just select the Eng, Scot, Ire & Welsh teams based totally on rankings. That way, players who have performed well but are not so well known would get their place rather than people who are known or have done it before or are picked on the nebulous basis that they are considered likely to gel with the others as a team. And people who get picked a lot for the three non-English teams wouldn"t have a right to a place, but would have to perform and justify it every time.
This would mean that the previous winning individuals would not so-called "defend". There may an example somewhere, but I can"t think of another competitive activity where the previous team is selected en-masse, because they won the last time, ahead of the currently better-performing players.
MintTrav:
I am surprised at just how many people have posted that the team event should not overlap with the WCOAP sides. I knew there was some dislike for this, but I didn"t realize it was so widespread. No surprise that I totally agree.
Hammerite:
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 12, 2013, 05:31:01 AM ---
I would just select the Eng, Scot, Ire & Welsh teams based totally on rankings. That way, players who have performed well but are not so well known would get their place rather than people who are known or have done it before or are picked on the nebulous basis that they are considered likely to gel with the others as a team. And people who get picked a lot for the three non-English teams wouldn"t have a right to a place, but would have to perform and justify it every time.
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I would like to agree with John"s post, I have always advocated that team selection should be based on rankings to avoid any of the criticisms of the current system, such as the one"s mentioned in some posts on this thread. If this system was set in stone we could forego the annual debate of the best way to select each team and everyone would have an equal chance of making their national team and they would be aware of the qualifying cut off dates at the start of the season.
For example you could take the points from all ranking events on a calendar year so the top 4/5 players at the 31st December would be in line to play in the next years team events. There are numerous permutations as to how the rankings cut off could be applied, but that"s for another debate, again once it is set in stone everyone starts on a level playing field and would know what they need to achieve to make the team.
KarmaDope:
--- Quote from: Hammerite on December 12, 2013, 08:43:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 12, 2013, 05:31:01 AM ---
I would just select the Eng, Scot, Ire & Welsh teams based totally on rankings. That way, players who have performed well but are not so well known would get their place rather than people who are known or have done it before or are picked on the nebulous basis that they are considered likely to gel with the others as a team. And people who get picked a lot for the three non-English teams wouldn"t have a right to a place, but would have to perform and justify it every time.
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I would like to agree with John"s post, I have always advocated that team selection should be based on rankings to avoid any of the criticisms of the current system, such as the one"s mentioned in some posts on this thread. If this system was set in stone we could forego the annual debate of the best way to select each team and everyone would have an equal chance of making their national team and they would be aware of the qualifying cut off dates at the start of the season.
For example you could take the points from all ranking events on a calendar year so the top 4/5 players at the 31st December would be in line to play in the next years team events. There are numerous permutations as to how the rankings cut off could be applied, but that"s for another debate, again once it is set in stone everyone starts on a level playing field and would know what they need to achieve to make the team.
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The only issue I have with this is that as described above, the current No.1 English player in the rankings has publicly declared that he does not want to play the Team Event as he wants to win the rankings - so he needs to play the side events.
Also, thinking about it, as there are so many more English players, they are disadvantaged. As an example, Rodders could come 7th in one event and score enough points to qualify for Wales. I could do the same and would be nowhere near qualifying for England.
There will never be a perfect way to select the teams. I favour a mixture - 1 captain chosen by Des" team. He then has 2 personal choices and offers the other 2 slots to the first 2 in the rankings for his country. If any of those two turn him down, he has to offer to the next two in the rankings. If they also turn him down - captain"s choice.
s4ooter:
There is lots of mentions from England players about how many medals they have won representing England prior.
If youve won 3 medals, as an England player, surely thats time to move aside.
We are in Season 7 and have lots of good players, surely its time to let other players have a stab in the dark.
I would be interested to see numbers on how many different players have represented England in Homes, Euros and Worlds and how many times each of them have played. Also how many medals they have won doing so.
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