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WCOAP TEAM EVENT
MintTrav:
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--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 12, 2013, 05:31:01 AM ---
I would just select the Eng, Scot, Ire & Welsh teams based totally on rankings. That way, players who have performed well but are not so well known would get their place rather than people who are known or have done it before or are picked on the nebulous basis that they are considered likely to gel with the others as a team. And people who get picked a lot for the three non-English teams wouldn"t have a right to a place, but would have to perform and justify it every time.
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I would like to agree with John"s post, I have always advocated that team selection should be based on rankings to avoid any of the criticisms of the current system, such as the one"s mentioned in some posts on this thread. If this system was set in stone we could forego the annual debate of the best way to select each team and everyone would have an equal chance of making their national team and they would be aware of the qualifying cut off dates at the start of the season.
For example you could take the points from all ranking events on a calendar year so the top 4/5 players at the 31st December would be in line to play in the next years team events. There are numerous permutations as to how the rankings cut off could be applied, but that"s for another debate, again once it is set in stone everyone starts on a level playing field and would know what they need to achieve to make the team.
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The only issue I have with this is that as described above, the current No.1 English player in the rankings has publicly declared that he does not want to play the Team Event as he wants to win the rankings - so he needs to play the side events.
Also, thinking about it, as there are so many more English players, they are disadvantaged. As an example, Rodders could come 7th in one event and score enough points to qualify for Wales. I could do the same and would be nowhere near qualifying for England.
There will never be a perfect way to select the teams. I favour a mixture - 1 captain chosen by Des" team. He then has 2 personal choices and offers the other 2 slots to the first 2 in the rankings for his country. If any of those two turn him down, he has to offer to the next two in the rankings. If they also turn him down - captain"s choice.
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In paragraph 3, you provide the answer to your objection in paragraph 1. Just offer it down the list if someone doesn"t want to play.
Can"t do anything about your para 2 objection. There are more English players. The Welsh team is only open to people from Wales.
ian.ski309:
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 12, 2013, 05:31:01 AM --- There may an example somewhere, but I can"t think of another competitive activity where the previous team is selected en-masse, because they won the last time, ahead of the currently better-performing players.
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The idea of the same individuals defending their APAT team title is one I happen to agree with... but I can also understand why denying a huge number of English players the opportunity to participate in a WCOAP for two whole years is going to cause irritation.
Mikeyboy9361:
I agree with JMs selection policy, that would reward the players who are playing well and support APAT. If the most highly placed players do not wish to play, they can just move aside and pick the next player in the table.
Very simple IMO, and gets away from the same old faces argument, unless those same old faces get in on merit :)
AMRN:
I like the concept of qualification through rankings, if only to remove all the frustrations about criticism of team selections, and to provide a clean and transparent process. It gives those people who believe they will never get picked a chance to earn their place.
However, as said above, this only works if the team event does not clash with the sides. As also said above, as a system, it would be totally unfair to the England player pool, many of whom might significantly out-perform Welsh, Irish, or Scottish players over the course of the season, but due to the sheer volume, they wouldn"t get a place.
Something not mentioned above is the "exclusivity" within the rankings system in terms of opportunity. Some of the ranking events are not open to all. OK, hypothetically they are open, however some people cannot fund trips to Prague, Vegas (or even Ireland) to play those ranking events, hence those with deepest pockets would have an advantage at the rankings and therefore a headstart toward country selection.
Lastly, by setting the rankings as a selection policy, we would create an un-level playing field within the competition, ie not all teams have 4/5 players in the rankings, and therefore have free selection opportunity. Not sure if this makes a difference ultimately when the competition is played, however it is disparity within the process, and potentially an advantage to one or the other.
s4ooter:
If you are in the Top 5 or so in the rankings, youd be mental to play in the Team Event (unless, of course, you dont want to win player of the year)
Lots of juicy side events, with depleated fields (due to the Team Event Running)
I think that a seperate w/e for the World Team Event should be organised that is just centered around the Teams so that all the players can also play all sides at the Worlds. Maybe a logistical nightmare, but would be nice to see.
I was also part of the convo at DTD with Des, Mark, Leigh, Chris and Dave.
Running a "Team" element, open to all, at the Worlds is a great idea.
Teams are submitted, with a minimum of 5, max of 10.
You name your selected "4" for each side event, and these are the only players that can score points.
People can make there own teams, from friends and encourage more newbies to come.
Teams pay a flat entry fee
Sounds awesome
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