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An interesting decision
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: amcgrath1uk on March 05, 2014, 22:31:19 PM ---
My thoughts to points raised so far:
Preflop raise - Are we min raising every hand? I"m more than comfortable min raising, but that *little* extra tends to make people think more.
Continuation bet - I want to win the pot. 8k/9k into approx 22k isn"t going to win that often. 13k imo will do more often. Yes, it does mean that any possible 3 bet will be slightly higher, and make a decision more difficult, but the here and now I want to win the pot. Again, my bet sizing is no different than at any other time.
Perception of opponent - Above all, this is the most important. The opponent has 3 bet us in this situation, but he is he perceiving that because I"ve shown strength, and good hands often, is he taking advantage?
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on March 03, 2014, 18:48:25 PM ---
How much are you planning to bet for him to be jamming?!!?!
I bet out for about 11k and expect him to fold fairly often. If he is a tight player do we not think he raises here with an A? Perfect flop for us to bet at IMO, as we actually have a bit of it.
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This was my thought process. I believed I could get him to fold with a standard c bet, that did not work. But imo, we have a well disguised hand, we have a tight opponent who hasn"t raised preflop, and imo he was taking advantage of being a tight player.
The result:
After 2 minutes of thinking time, weighing up the relevant chipstacks, and the exact amounts of the relevant chips I had, I very deliberately took back my initial raise, took a 5k off my pile of chips, and put the rest out as a 4 bet, which added up to a min re-reraise of 65k. After 15 seconds or so, he folded. I don"t think my opponent realised it was a min reraise, but I know it signified strength, rather than just an all in shove.
Thoughts?
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How long are the levels in this???
amcgrath1uk:
--- Quote from: pokerpops on March 06, 2014, 08:45:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: amcgrath1uk on March 05, 2014, 22:31:19 PM ---
My thoughts to points raised so far:
Preflop raise - Are we min raising every hand? I"m more than comfortable min raising, but that *little* extra tends to make people think more.
Continuation bet - I want to win the pot. 8k/9k into approx 22k isn"t going to win that often. 13k imo will do more often. Yes, it does mean that any possible 3 bet will be slightly higher, and make a decision more difficult, but the here and now I want to win the pot. Again, my bet sizing is no different than at any other time.
Perception of opponent - Above all, this is the most important. The opponent has 3 bet us in this situation, but he is he perceiving that because I"ve shown strength, and good hands often, is he taking advantage?
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on March 03, 2014, 18:48:25 PM ---
How much are you planning to bet for him to be jamming?!!?!
I bet out for about 11k and expect him to fold fairly often. If he is a tight player do we not think he raises here with an A? Perfect flop for us to bet at IMO, as we actually have a bit of it.
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This was my thought process. I believed I could get him to fold with a standard c bet, that did not work. But imo, we have a well disguised hand, we have a tight opponent who hasn"t raised preflop, and imo he was taking advantage of being a tight player.
The result:
After 2 minutes of thinking time, weighing up the relevant chipstacks, and the exact amounts of the relevant chips I had, I very deliberately took back my initial raise, took a 5k off my pile of chips, and put the rest out as a 4 bet, which added up to a min re-reraise of 65k. After 15 seconds or so, he folded. I don"t think my opponent realised it was a min reraise, but I know it signified strength, rather than just an all in shove.
Thoughts?
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How long are the levels in this???
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Was either 20/25 mins, can"t honestly remember
mporter123:
I dont have much more to add Asa.
Yes - min raising every hand. It really won"t make a difference when your deep in a tournament. If people want to start peeling you then we will be playing better than them post flop anyway so fine.
Ditto on C bet sizing. 9K into 22K compared to 13K won"t make a difference on this board. I might even go smaller. He either has a hand to continue with or not, its unlikely he is going to see you bet 9K and just spite peel KQ or something.
It worked this time but I don"t like it. Your just going to called by everthing that is beating you and given player type, your going to be called more often that your going to get folds. No need to level ourselves into thinking this guy is tight, he knows I know that so he is bluffing.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: mporter123 on March 06, 2014, 13:14:36 PM ---
I dont have much more to add Asa.
Yes - min raising every hand. It really won"t make a difference when your deep in a tournament. If people want to start peeling you then we will be playing better than them post flop anyway so fine.
Ditto on C bet sizing. 9K into 22K compared to 13K won"t make a difference on this board. I might even go smaller. He either has a hand to continue with or not, its unlikely he is going to see you bet 9K and just spite peel KQ or something.
It worked this time but I don"t like it. Your just going to called by everthing that is beating you and given player type, your going to be called more often that your going to get folds. No need to level ourselves into thinking this guy is tight, he knows I know that so he is bluffing.
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^^^ Couldn"t put it better tbh.
Often in poker we want to make our mistakes at the correct time, I suspect that"s what happened here.
bear21:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on March 06, 2014, 13:49:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: mporter123 on March 06, 2014, 13:14:36 PM ---
I dont have much more to add Asa.
Yes - min raising every hand. It really won"t make a difference when your deep in a tournament. If people want to start peeling you then we will be playing better than them post flop anyway so fine.
Ditto on C bet sizing. 9K into 22K compared to 13K won"t make a difference on this board. I might even go smaller. He either has a hand to continue with or not, its unlikely he is going to see you bet 9K and just spite peel KQ or something.
It worked this time but I don"t like it. Your just going to called by everthing that is beating you and given player type, your going to be called more often that your going to get folds. No need to level ourselves into thinking this guy is tight, he knows I know that so he is bluffing.
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^^^ Couldn"t put it better tbh.
Often in poker we want to make our mistakes at the correct time, I suspect that"s what happened here.
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ditto
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