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Showing Cards 2: Do you show??
rubertoe:
As my previous post led to some discussion, i thought that i"d try again!! ::)
I wondered what peoples views where on showing cards during a hand or after a pot is one (without a showdown)?
Apparently - your not allowed to show a card during a live hand, is this a good idea? or should people be able to show a card to try and glean information?
At the end of the day, they are your cards and if you wanna show people what you have before the end of a hand, then why not?
What about showing a bluff, or do you never show a hand at all unless some one has paid to see it?
My personal view is that i never intentionally show a hand unless its been paid for! ( but i must say that i do deviate from this, everyone loves to show a monster :2d: 7s), and that if people wanna show a card during a live hand then let them - it is easier to figure out where your at and where your opponents at when you can see all but one of the cards in play!
Let me know Your thoughts,
Robbie ;D
mrmacacan:
A player should never show a card or cards to anyone while involved in a hand this I believe is in tournaments, I think cash games are different.
My home tourneys, any player showing any card then his/her hand is dead.
I very very rarely show my cards but some times I have to.
Me and the mrs mac went to Blackpool G on Sunday.
£30 d/c f/o 80+ runners.
drawn on same table, not a problem for us.
We love each other but hate each other at the table.
Anyway we was playing blinds were getting up a bit.
I looked down at AA, put in a big raise, only 1 caller, yes mrs mac.
Flop was nothing,3 smallish cards so I pushed about 8000 chips.
mrs mac after a while called (she was very well stacked), she turned over gut shot straight draw.
The AA held up, now I thought it was a very bad call, I would think most of the table did as well.
So the next few hands as I was folding and sat there thinking, I thought of the earlier hand with mrs mac.
Then I thought what it might look like, I honestly believe no one at the table thought she was chip dumping but later on we was against each other again, this time I had hit a flush, I put a big bet into a pretty big pot and she folded.
I very very rarely show my cards, but thought I had to show the table my flush just for my piece of mind.
mrs mac went on to finish 12th, well done mrs mac.
RioRodent:
--- Quote from: mrmacacan on August 06, 2008, 08:08:24 AM ---
My home tourneys, any player showing any card then his/her hand is dead.
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This is not a "correct" rule... in most cardrooms** and major tournaments the hand would not be called dead. Intentionally showing cards, while action remains in a hand, is not allowed and should be dealt with by means of a warning and then whatever penalty system has been pre-arranged for repeat offences.
--- Quote from: mrmacacan on August 06, 2008, 08:08:24 AM ---
mrs mac after a while called (she was very well stacked),
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Was or is? Either way, useless without pictures!! :o
8)
Edit -
** Maybe, as can be seen from the reply below, I should qualify this statement!! Perhaps it should read; "In most cardrooms that I have played in..." And I should also state that I have played in more rooms in the US (Vegas specifically) than I have here.
tumblet:
--- Quote from: RioRodent on August 06, 2008, 09:47:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: mrmacacan on August 06, 2008, 08:08:24 AM ---
My home tourneys, any player showing any card then his/her hand is dead.
--- End quote ---
This is not a "correct" rule... in most cardrooms and major tournaments the hand would not be called dead. Intentionally showing cards, while action remains in a hand, is not allowed and should be dealt with by means of a warning and then whatever penalty system has been pre-arranged for repeat offences.
--- End quote ---
This rule I am still confused about..
Senario.. £30 D/C freezeout.. I make a raise with 99, and all folded round to BB, who dwels then pushes her stack in.. I am heads up in the hand and have no read on this person as she has only just joined the table 2 hands earlier, both folds.. Anyway, I am thinking I fancy racing with AK, AQ, but not sure if she has an overpair, so without putting my cards down, I flip the 99 round, to show her, straight away I know she has AK, AQ ish, and decide that I am going to call, BUT, she mucks her cards and the dealer passes her the pot..
I protest, saying I have not folded, but TD says that Gala Rules are hand is dead... ??
Now the reason I did this was, once it was done to me, I did the same thing, but the hand stood, and I was of the opinion it should have been made dead. I asked the question on blonde and all answers said the hand is not dead, so thought these were the rules..
My main thing with situations like this is
a) Do each casino have a set of rules that you can read before you start the game?
b) Why is there no standard set of rules imposed by lets say someone like the GC?
imo, TD"s go by their own rules in things like this, and you will never know what the rule is until something like this happens which may be to late anyway..
RioRodent:
--- Quote from: jizzemm on August 06, 2008, 11:23:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: RioRodent on August 06, 2008, 09:47:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: mrmacacan on August 06, 2008, 08:08:24 AM ---
My home tourneys, any player showing any card then his/her hand is dead.
--- End quote ---
This is not a "correct" rule... in most cardrooms and major tournaments the hand would not be called dead. Intentionally showing cards, while action remains in a hand, is not allowed and should be dealt with by means of a warning and then whatever penalty system has been pre-arranged for repeat offences.
--- End quote ---
This rule I am still confused about..
Senario.. £30 D/C freezeout.. I make a raise with 99, and all folded round to BB, who dwels then pushes her stack in.. I am heads up in the hand and have no read on this person as she has only just joined the table 2 hands earlier, both folds.. Anyway, I am thinking I fancy racing with AK, AQ, but not sure if she has an overpair, so without putting my cards down, I flip the 99 round, to show her, straight away I know she has AK, AQ ish, and decide that I am going to call, BUT, she mucks her cards and the dealer passes her the pot..
I protest, saying I have not folded, but TD says that Gala Rules are hand is dead... ??
Now the reason I did this was, once it was done to me, I did the same thing, but the hand stood, and I was of the opinion it should have been made dead. I asked the question on blonde and all answers said the hand is not dead, so thought these were the rules..
My main thing with situations like this is
a) Do each casino have a set of rules that you can read before you start the game?
b) Why is there no standard set of rules imposed by lets say someone like the GC?
imo, TD"s go by their own rules in things like this, and you will never know what the rule is until something like this happens which may be to late anyway..
--- End quote ---
a) Yes they do... or should do!
b) Still one of life"s great mysteries... right up there alonside - "Why do toasters always have a setting that burns the toast to a horrible crisp that no one would ever eat?"
If only all cardrooms / tournament organisers would use the Tournament Directors Association rules, the world would be a much better place...
Rule 31. Exposing Cards - A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand. The penalty will begin at the end of the hand.
Full rules available here - http://www.pokertda.com/rules.pdf
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