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AMRN:

--- Quote from: johns41 on August 17, 2008, 21:19:38 PM ---
For me the best players always win the maximum and lose the minimum from their premium hands and that gives them their edge.

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Agree, but would suggest that the very best players will win whether they have premium hands or not.  The majority of the time, the actual cards are irrelevant.  Position and circumstance are key, and often more important than the cards themselves.

IMO major showdowns only occur when two big hands clash, whether that be two premium hands, or premium hand vs disguised drawn hand.

Players like Allen Cunningham are expert at grinding away at lesser players early on and building their stack, often and usually with no cards at all. 

I suspect the top players could get through the first few levels of a MTT without ever showing any cards, yet significantly developing their stack.... therefore QED the cards are irrelevent.

TopPair2Pair:

--- Quote from: noble1 on August 17, 2008, 18:11:07 PM ---
I do enjoy talking strategy , theory and poker in general etc. I have tried to use this forum before but the replies and traffic seem sparse , any reason ??

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This section does have few and far between posts but then I dont think its ever going to be a FCP, 2+2, etc, type of strategy forum. When a good post comes along everyone contributes just the right amount to keep things nice and simple!!


--- Quote from: noble1 on August 17, 2008, 18:11:07 PM ---
If anyone views this  ;D , here is a question for you , what are the essential skills in tournament no-limit poker. To get it going i will state two that i think are important , the whys can come later .

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IMO its all about a "lock" and "key" poker, lots of nut chasing limps for an easy double up situation(s) for the early part. Online poker is so unpredictable that is a sure way into the top 10% of play, but again t"is just my opinion.

Oh and never bluffing into a monster! that always hurts.   :"(

noble1:
Toppietwo i agree that in online poker mtts micro stakes to $100 can be unpredictable and you have to dumb down a bit against certain types of players.You know the type they only think about there own cards or whose primary motivation is not getting bluffed out of a pot , hence dumb down to fit the skill level of your opponent or opponents. $100 + there are far more better players who think on multiple levels eg - they analyse the implications of your betting patterns,past history at the table,hand ranges,what hand does my opponent think i have, false tells are they faking etc etc and they reach far different conclusions about your hand than someone at the lower levels of play.
Yes unfortunately if your opponents are not focused , you have to play a different style , a wise man once said to me -
"you can jump up and down and wave your arms like a mad man but it is no good if your observer is a blind man"  a quote that fits many poker players , observation is not there strongest suit.

smileriraq:
One of the reasons i like this forum is because there is a steady but not horrendous amount of posts , on the more popular sites you log on to "view" unread messages and there are PAGES of new posts it can get a bit much. Also there are very few pretentious know alls on this site and the posts are for the most part have very little jargon

as for the MTT I have won a freeroll and made a few other final tables but in every MTT ive been succesful in theres come a point where you have to stake it all on the percentage chance of hitting the right card.

You also have to have belief in yourself when i first started I used to get intimidated by the big stacks when approaching the money, thinking I wasnt good enough and that theese guys were sharks , turns out I was wrong and most players are just like me and you with the same insecuritiies ,fears. Once you can get past that mental block your approach to a MTT will be a lot stronger.

Ive also developed an attitude where I play to win now rather than just make the money (though admittedly thats easier to do in a freeroll as opposed to when youve paid the buy in)

Sorry im rambling .................

noble1:
smileriraq  QUOTE:
as for the MTT I have won a freeroll and made a few other final tables but in every MTT ive been succesful in theres come a point where you have to stake it all on the percentage chance of hitting the right card.

vERY TRUE and you have to pick your spots with imo a made hand , if you ever have some time to spare,check out annette_15 hand histories on pxf.One thing that i think would help many poker players is her 500k win on full tilt.The key to annettes win is aggression but not in a maniac way , she never calls a raise for 300 hands , she is the raiser or the re-raiser [and the re-raises are with strong hands and you will be surprised that she does that very few times] and for all the hype that she is loose aggressive is complete nonsense , she makes moves yes BUT she does it as the raiser and knows when to back down if there is resistance  ;D she is very good at adapting to table dynamics and doesnt over do any each style switching gears at the right times and slowing down again at the right points.Also congratulations
smileriraq on your wins a freeroll is no easy feat, its not easy weaving a passage through so many weak players.

Here is a hand history of a point in a mtt where it was required to show heart and also what do you think of villians shove ?

Full Tilt Poker Game #3846049515: $45 000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (28527294) Table 12 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:30:11 ET - 2007/10/13
Seat 1: Brundaddy (4 395)
Seat 2: MoormanI (8 455)
Seat 3: Robbieoz (7 904)
Seat 4: UCallwthWHAT (15 400)
Seat 5: Damiancho123 (10 475)
Seat 6: Cmoney3 (9 120)
Seat 7: Annette_15 (28 133)
Seat 8: meesun5 (13 830)
Seat 9: goodvibe (3 537)
Brundaddy antes 50
MoormanI antes 50
Robbieoz antes 50
UCallwthWHAT antes 50
Damiancho123 antes 50
Cmoney3 antes 50
Annette_15 antes 50
meesun5 antes 50
goodvibe antes 50
Robbieoz posts the small blind of 200
UCallwthWHAT posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #2

Holecards:
Dealt to MoormanI [  tc  ts ]
Damiancho123 calls 400
Cmoney3 folds
Annette_15 folds
meesun5 folds
goodvibe folds
Brundaddy folds
MoormanI raises to 2,250
Robbieoz folds
UCallwthWHAT folds
Damiancho123 raises to 10,425, and is all in
MoormanI : oh man
MoormanI has 15 seconds left to act
MoormanI has requested TIME
MoormanI : sigh whatever ten plz
Annette_15: hate those days
MoormanI calls 6,155, and is all in
Damiancho123 shows [ ks  ac ]
MoormanI shows [ tc  ts ]
Uncalled bet of 2,020 returned to Damiancho123

Flop:
[ :3s: :2s: qd ]

Turn:
[ :3c: :2s: qd ] [  th]

River:
[ :3c: :2s: qd th ] [  4d]
Damiancho123 shows Ace King high
MoormanI shows three of a kind Tens
MoormanI wins the pot (17 860) with three of a kind Tens

SUMMARY:
Total pot 17 860 | Rake 0
Board:
[ :3c: :2s: qd th 4d ]
Seat 1: Brundaddy folded before the Flop
Seat 2: MoormanI (button) showed [ tc ts ] and won (17 860) with three of a kind Tens
Seat 3: Robbieoz (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: UCallwthWHAT (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Damiancho123 showed [  ks ac] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 6: Cmoney3 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Annette_15 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: meesun5 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: goodvibe folded before the Flop

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