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Wadda'ya make of this then?
TopPair2Pair:
--- Quote ---btw, I fold AJo UTG, but thats me
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I"m quite happy to play AJo from an early position if bossing the table with a solid image or have the most chips at table looking to outplay others.
I fold my cards to the all in on this board. Too easy for him to have a Full house given his in the cutoff and 22-TT is pretty standard in this position for the educated player. Plus the other 6 PP"s in this range are beating us at this stage in the hand
RioRodent:
I have to say I"m rather suprised by all the "you have to fold" opinions... but then I have been playing almost exclusively cash for the last 8 months! (Not that I would make this play in cash game, just that I"m out of touch with playing tournies!)
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on October 19, 2008, 11:08:11 AM ---
Given that you posted what seems like a standard hand,
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Is it really a standard play? Lev 3 of a deepstack tourney, just horse it all-in vs. an UTG raise from the big stack - regardless of whether it"s a bluff or not.
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on October 19, 2008, 11:08:11 AM ---
I reckon you made a hero call, he had 79s and missed giving you a monster pot. nh sir!!
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Well I did make the call, not sure about the hero bit...
RioRodent calls 2,980
msorin shows [ jd kh ]
RioRodent shows [ jc ad ]
*** RIVER *** [ 8s ts :3h: td ] [ 9s ]
msorin shows a pair of Tens
RioRodent shows a pair of Tens
RioRodent wins the pot (7,360) with a pair of Tens
I thought it was quite a simple call;
i) if he has a ten or a FH, why go all-in?
ii) if he takes my check as weakness AND he has a hand with any showdown value ie. pocket pair, 8 or 3, or a big Ace why not take a free card?
iii) can"t have him on a premium pkt pr as no PF raise.
I think he has air;
i) if I"m wrong and he has a small pkt pr... I have 2 overcards and will *still have plenty of chips to play with* if I don"t improve.
ii) if I"m wrong and I"m drawing dead... I *still have plenty of chips to play with.*
*This is obviously key... if losing leaves me with less than 20BBs I would make a reluctant fold.
There have been a couple of other things quickly went through my mind, but I"ve been to bed since then and have forgotten... it"s an age thing you know!
Swinebag:
I like the thinking, Alan
I guess I play too many donkaments where players who shove their stacks with KJ, also donk shove with AK and AQ and also shove to "protect" with holdings like A3, A8 and PP below 77.
Given that you aren"t calling off your whole tourney, a call seems reasonable though given your reasoning.
I have to say that even IF I had gone through your reasoning and thought there was a chance I was ahead, I would probably still fold. It just seems too much of my stack and If the guy can shove with air you can surely catch him out later in a better spot with a better hand than Ace high.
wp anyway, where did you finish up?
noble1:
hmm i wont say to much,only this - once you get 2 callers with position on you what were your reads on them?[hand ranges,styles of play] once you decided to continuation bet on that texture of flop what was your plan if you was called? and how did you think the table perceived your own image to be to them?
noble1:
just some thoughts on hero calls in low buy in mtts - they are difficult because at this level so many players bet to represent the hand they actually do have,which is the opposite the point of poker.Also do you play pots out of position a lot? i like your recount of the situation BUT if this was a smart loose player this sort of bet is common at this level and they actually do have a hand.
Hence the question in the above reply as i"m intrested in your thought process pre-flop and on the flop.
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