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bigredders:
this one gave me a sleepless night last night so here goes

final table at local casino blinds 4-8k i have a comfortable 94k

dealt 4h 4s in small blind cutt off limps, i limp, big blind checks. the cutt off and the big blind are the 2 chip leaders

flop comes  9c :3s:  9h

i lead out for 15k, big blind calls, cutt off folds

turn comes  5s, completing the rainbow

i lead out for 25k, after a little deliberation big blind pushes all-in

so therefore i have to call 50k to win the 149k pot

after a lot of thinking i decide to call and of course he had the 9

my thinking behind all this that first of all i didnt want to raise pre-flop against the 2 chip leaders out of position. i didnt want to go all-in because i had seen the cutt off make some crazy all in calls so calling the 4k to win 24k seemed the best option.

the flop seems a very good flop for me. i have to admit he played it well by just calling, i put him on 2 overs. when the turn comes a 5 i know that it cant have improved his hand, so thats what made the all-in so confusing.

also, i had already laid a big hand down on the table and he had already shown a big bluff to the chip leader at the time.

opinions please?

Mikeyboy9361:
I think the make up of the small blind was fine you"re out of position, but you want to see a cheap flop. When you don"t hit your set you can"t love your hand, there may be a thought just check and try and see a free card, but your small bet was okay to see where you are. After he calls you have got to think you are in trouble, and for me the hand was over there and then. He pushed all in to prorect his hand against a possible flush, and that tells me he has a hand. By now you are pretty pot committed so a call on the end is not that bad, but as I said I would have shut down sooner.

AMRN:
you say that you have a comfortable stack, but at the end of the day it"s less than 12 big blinds. However, it"s big enough to make a dent in the chip leader.....

.....so, once the guy has limped from the cut off, there must be 20k in the middle (his 8, your 4, and the BB"s 8). This represents more than 20% of your total stack...... only one move here..... ALLL INNNNNN preflop.

If the cut off has limped with a pair and calls your all in, c"est la vie...... if he calls with overs, well at least you"re on the right side of the coin flip...... and if he folds, happy days.

Roscopiko:
Dont mind the limp with 44 to see a cheap flop at all, pushing here is too risky and unneccessary imo with just 44, everytime you get called you are at best racing 2 overs and otherwise dominated.

When the flop comes 993, I agree this is a good flop for your hand but you now have to decide what your line is for the hand.  If you are no longer set mining (as you predetermined really with the limp) you know have to determine if you hand is best or not vs 2 limper and the only hands you are really worried about from this flop are those that have a 9.

So now I think your flop bet sizing is the key to the rest of the hand and without all the information you had at the table its almost impossible to advise.  What did you want to acheive with your bet here and if someone calls (based on previous history) what does this tell you.

Jon MW:
I think either all in preflop and try to win the blinds or double up against 2 overs.

Or limp preflop and give it up when you don"t hit the set.

Any other way of playing baby pairs out of position is often going to end badly for  you.

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