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Is this a cooler?
noble1:
LongshanksED:
the way i read it as there has been a raise and a call from 2 medium stacks in middle position - and every chance they have over cards to the 9"s
should the flop come out with face cards and no 9, i"d still bet out but should you get a call or raise from one or any of the other players then it could give you a chance to get out cheaply and only lose about 1/4 of my stack instead of half
this maybe a bit defensive, especially for late stages of an MTT but looking at blinds and johns stack then there is still plenty time to take advantage of attacking the medium and shorter stacks
as you say noble - re raising is a viable option and should you lose the hand to Utascha, you still have 20BB"s but also the M is now down to approx only 12, should i be able to get away from my hand if i think im beat my M is around the 25 mark - far healthier
just my opinion
noble1:
i understand your thinking to a certain point LongshanksED and i would agree with your play in the earlier stages when it is deeper stacked and the blinds to stack size are a lot lower.
The villians in are not both medium stacks , one has 20bb left behind , the other is short with only 11bb behind.
The point you make about trying to attack small and medium stacks later on due to plenty of time left is for me at this stage of an mtt a mistake a lot of tight weak players make,the late stages in mtts is where the strong win and the not so strong wither away finishing early to mid money,this is a great spot to play strong not weak and call.
With the re-raise and trying to manipulate stack sizes like in this situation you are giving yourself a great chance of significantly increasing your stack and to further increase your opportunity"s later on to bully and steal and be able to take a hit or two.
If it goes wrong you also leave yourself 21bb"s and still have a great chance of re-building.
Survival is great in the early to mid stages but in the late parts opportunity"s like this are few and far and taking advantage of them is what separates the winners and also rans in tournaments.
With the raise and call ahead even if they have over cards John is still ahead,at this point you have to start taking a flip or two to be able to win an mtt.
Also there is great chance the re-raise will take the pot down anyhows but also guards against John being KO by t-bagng , if he was sitting on a big pair in the bb if he re-raises 99 is easy to get away from,if he trys to play them tricky and smooth call AA KK QQ JJ then John will still be able to play post-flop in the knowledge that t-bagng has a strong hand and be able to adjust accordingly.
noble1:
--- Quote ---Just thought this was an interesting hand. Cheers for your comments
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yes John it is a great hand/situation to post,i just wish there were more like it. :)
Roscopiko:
--- Quote from: noble1 on November 25, 2008, 21:30:05 PM ---
Right back to the situation,if i had your stack at this stage of the mtt [and hopefully a fairly solid image] i would of re-raised this spot to 11 to 12000 putting pressure on utascha and hammer.There would be only t-bagng behind who can only re-raise or call with a strong hand and if utascha and hammer were to re-raise all in i would have great pot odds to call with no chance of getting knocked out if i were to lose [i"d have 21bb left which is still plenty to build up again]
But judging the stack sizes i"d presume pre-flop that utascha would fold and hammer with only 11bb"s left would put himself all in [again a good spot,nice pot]
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Thanks as always for the excellent input noble. The main issues in the hand are pre flop and the flop so here my thinking.
Yes we are into the money and I"m now looking to take my decent stack to a FT stack especially in the just post bubble loose play period.
OK preflop we have the bet and call. I am SB and out of position with 99. My table image to be honest is very LAG as I have been totally abusing the table around the bubble and built my stack nicely from this and have received comments from some players about getting caught out soon. I have basically opened every unopened pot from 2 off the button or better for the last 10 or so orbits. BB being the biggest loser in these exchanges.
My main thinking in calling rather than raising here was that because the opener has only has ~20BB (and is granite like (opened 5% in 100+ hands) and caller has only ~10BB if I raise the pot here I am almost certain to get shoved on by one of these 2 and fold to it. I am therefore only calling to take it away on later streets or flop big. BB is also playing the same game and has been calling raises pretty light to steal them on the flop.
I can definitely see the points made about firing on the flop but to be honest my thought my hand was too big to do so. The flop won"t have hit any AK, AQ type hands and no realistic draws are there. BB is a serial better and this flop gives him the chance to represent low cards from the BB. He checks....boooo.
So if original better or caller has an overpair they are betting here everytime to thin the field, they check.....double boo. BUT i am still confident I am miles ahead. The checks give me as much info as a bet would in narrowing ranges. Raiser and caller must have KQ+ type hands and are scared of betting because BB is a station and will but them with 1 pair. So BB range is my real problem as its ATC.
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