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Roscopiko:

--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on November 25, 2008, 13:32:19 PM ---
I presume you checked in order to check raise, and with that flop who would blame you, but I think with the pot already about 13000, I would have been betting and taking it down there and then with a 10000 bet. I think you would have got Tbag off it with that bet even though he had the up and down, he would have been committing 25% of his stack on a draw. If he doesn"t fold then he pushes, and again you are happy......But yeah a cooler ;)

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Not sure I would ever bet this flop cos its so massive for my hand and I only get paid if someone has an over pair.  The worst that happens is they all check and I give them a chance to catch up.  Defo dont want to really take it down here, I want as much action as i can get.

I make the small bet on the turn to make it look like I"m just representing small cards (I have stolen alot of pots on the flop and turn and been very active at the table) and trying to steal the pot. 3 callers was a bit wierd but I"m still happy to take the action and build the pot convinced I am still a mile ahead and possible against a lower set.

The ace on the river was really the bingo card for me so the 1k bet was to try and represent a really weak blocker bet and get someone to come over the top. When the BB comes over the top, I really still thought I was a mile ahead and that he had make 2 pair with Ax.  The other all-in is neither here or there. Cant really have anyone on AA unless they have taken a crazy line.

So the problem now is to call or raise.  To be honest with what I said above I think i"m against 2 pair from the BB and he has to call a shove with 2 pair or a lower set. I think a call is too passive in this spot.

Fair play to the BB he played the hand perfect and got all my chips from it. Have no problem with his play just one in a series recently where I have made the money well stacked only to bust v the only player who can take me out.

Just thought this was an interesting hand.  Cheers for your comments

kinboshi:
I bet the flop.  You want to grow the pot, and a check doesn"t help you do this.  What would you do with an overpair here?  What about bottom two pair?

I"d try and bet the same way with any of those hands.

AMRN:
Going to a 4 way flop, it"s highly likely that someone is going to play with you if you lead out - it"s not often that you flop top set, and you really want to be getting the pot as big as you can here - it"s a **** or bust hand IMO.   The only had that you would be worried about is 68, and it"s highly likely that anyone holding 68 is not going to fold to a bet on the flop, so you should be charging him for his draw. When he hits it, it"s game over for you - there"s just no getting away from the hand whether you"ve bet the flop or not.

Online this is a surefire finishing hand. Playing live, you might be able to pick up a tell and put down your hand, but I suggest even that would be highly unlikely.

Cooler.

noble1:
ok i have some points but all are based on this being a low buy in mtt and your stack size and position / situation.

You are out of position with 44bbs with raises  of 3x by utascha [20bb left behind] and a call by hammer [11bb left behind].

1st off my thoughts on hammers weak call makes me spew as the guy should of re-raised all in trying to take down the blinds/antes and putting pressure on utascha,hammer only had 14bb"s which with AK is an auto shove.

Right back to the situation,if i had your stack at this stage of the mtt [and hopefully a fairly solid image] i would of re-raised this spot to 11 to 12000 putting pressure on utascha and hammer.There would be only t-bagng behind who can only re-raise or call with a strong hand and if utascha and hammer were to re-raise all in i would have great pot odds to call with no chance of getting knocked out if i were to lose [i"d have 21bb left which is still plenty to build up again]
But judging the stack sizes i"d presume pre-flop that utascha would fold and hammer with only 11bb"s left would put himself all in [again a good spot,nice pot]

Either way the situation goes with your STACK the re-raise is the best play,utascha
is being forced to fold or re-raise and hammer is being asked if he wants to put in his remaining 11bb"s.If they both fold you win a nice pot anyhows.

This is a situation for me because of blinds/antes and opponent stack sizes [and yours] that you use the weapon of your stack size and pound it into them.


Just a thought on your check post-flop, i agree along with AMRN and Kinboshi that you should always lead into your set,the benefits of this being that you are growing the pot and getting information as to what cards the villians are holding [easier to narrow a range if they call or re-raise]
When out of position if you always lead on the flop with all your draws,top pairs,2nd pairs,bluffs etc etc it makes you very hard to read and your opponents have no option to check behind for a free card.[think about the benefits like inducing folds or bluffs you can pick off playing this way]

anyhows i hope my thoughts help you in some way.

gg
noble

LongshanksED:
to be honest raising pre flop would"ve been best idea but hindsight is 20/20 and i doubt i would"ve raised, just called the bet also

with 4 others in the pot, when the flop is dealt, i personally would have made a bet (perhaps half to 3/4 the pot) and if someone raises then get it all in problem is that the BB would probably came for the ride with his open ended straight unless you went all in on the flop - but then you"d get no action

you played it the same way i wouldve and probably throwing the laptop out the window and started shouting that internet poker is rigged

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