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noble1:
Seat 1: lubmynuts ($2,700) Posts big blind $30
Seat 2: koke27 ($3,490)
Seat 3: phtylphtalat275 ($3,265)
Seat 4: Robbieoz ($5,710)
Seat 5: popp6161 ($2,835)
Seat 6: Annette_15 ($6,055)
Seat 8: drtydingo ($2,135) Dealer
Posts small blind $15
Seat 9: kleath ($3,810) Posts small blind $15
Dealt to Robbieoz
9s :3h:

FOLD koke27
FOLD phtylphtalat275
FOLD Robbieoz
CALL popp6161, $30
RAISE Annette_15, to $120
FOLD drtydingo
FOLD kleath
FOLD lubmynuts
CALL popp6161, $90

Flop: :2s: tc 8s (Pot: $285)
CHECK popp6161
BET Annette_15, $210
CALL popp6161, $210


Turn: :2s: tc 8s js (Pot: $705)
CHECK popp6161
CHECK Annette_15

River: :2s: tc 8s js qd (Pot: $705)
CHECK popp6161
BET Annette_15, $210
RAISE popp6161, to $420
CALL Annette_15, $210
Showdown:
SHOWS popp6161
:2c: :2h:
SHOWS Annette_15
qs qc
Annette_15 wins the pot of $1,545 with three of a kind, Queens


my question is how would you guys proceed with either hand ? especially 22....
This caused some debate at the table afterwards,as to how to play this situation , texture of flop/board on the turn,then the river !!!
But i do think annette played position well , dont you ?

Mayfair:
I think in the end they both did well to keep the pot relatively small.

Obviously the q on the end is a bit of a cooler.

I"ve no idea what annette plays like at cash but we have all seen
her agression in tourneys.

If i was popp i"d be more aggressive on the flop and turn,
and just called on the river. The raise looks just like throwing
money away, its way too small for anyone to fold with any showdown
value.

Annette"s play looks good to me apart from the river. I would have checked.


I think this is the kind of hand where having some data on your opponent
could make a massive difference.

Popp"s starting hands could easily be 22, 88, 99, tt, t9s etc... with annette on your left.

And Annette could could have anything against a limper in postion.

Out of interest whats she like at cash ? Is she just as agressive ?

TopPair2Pair:
Umm okay, I fear you not scrutiny :D. Obvioulsy never played at this level so I cant really add that much insight but i can but share my opinion!

Overal there seems to be a lot of hesitation in this hand and a lack of aggression which seems suprising for such high stakes.

Preflop, everything seems fine, standard raise and at worst a cheeky call with dueces without position.

Flop, imo if your entering an open raised pot with dueces you cannot hit your set and check OOP just to check call flop and then check the turn, UNLESS you are 100% certain that she is going to cbet turn after your check and this is where your going to reraise and take the pot OR extract as much you possible can from the hand.

(Ok maybe initially I mistook hesitation for trappy play.)

Dont really want to consider anything after the turn just yet. Obviously you can tell i think the correct thing to do would"ve been check raise flop.

What do you think she would"ve have done if any other Jack appeared or a dead card turned over?

noble1:

--- Quote ---Preflop, everything seems fine, standard raise and at worst a cheeky call with dueces without position.

Flop, imo if your entering an open raised pot with dueces you cannot hit your set and check OOP just to check call flop and then check the turn, UNLESS you are 100% certain that she is going to cbet turn after your check and this is where your going to reraise and take the pot OR extract as much you possible can from the hand.
--- End quote ---

good points Toppietwo , i agree that with hitting a set on 2 suited flop oop that check calling is spewy , although on a rainbow flop i might mix in a check call into my repertoire.
If popp6161 were to check raise is there argument that annette would be able to get away from an over pair?
Can anyone think of a reason to not limp calling raises oop with low pocket pairs?

yep sry guys it is a $216 mtt on tilt.

it is still early levels 15/30,and by an large pot size control is better unless there is a lot of sat players at the table then there can be un-controlled aggression.
popp6161 is pretty loose but not wild,annettes reputation proceeds her a lot but generally in the early levels of a freeze out mtt she is more solid than LAG.

The questions thrown up by the table afterwards were how if the set were to lead into or check raise on the flop,would the hand turned out very differently?.
Again on the turn is there anyone who thinks 22 should lead out??
The river i think annette played well, a good size value bet as any of popp6161 holdings that would be beating her would of bet out on the turn?

Does anyone think by check calling the flop the set loses control of the hand?
Would anyone play the river [22] differently, i"m intrested as to what others think because with the texture of the board and how it has been played upto that point is there any other valid play?

LongshanksED:
from a purely amatuer point of view - with my set i"d have re raised on the flop after annette bet and a good bit, maybe to $1000 to out price any draws, there is flush draw and possible open ended or gut shot straight draws possible on the flop but i doubt annette would"ve folded her queens

turn is a scary flush possibilty but with the play as it was i"d maybe lead out for half the pot  but again i"d imagine annette wouldve called to with 4 cards to a queen flush

if all this had panned out as i wouldve played it, come the river and the possible straight and with annettes pre flop bet she could easily have pocket 9"s or AK, i"d have checked and probably called annette"s small bet as the odds would be too tempting, certainly not raised it

but as it panned out i dont think either player made any mistakes

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