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playing a set out of position.
noble1:
i see the merits of check raising the flop LongshanksED but imo if you re-raise such a large amount you are losing value, if annette or any opponent were on a flush draw the set of twos are around 80% favourite,so surely a reraise to 560 ish offering 3 to 1 odds for the flush draw is better +ev? The re-raise to 1000 is pot committing yourself to the hand and against a weaker player this may get a donk all in or call,but the std of opponents in these mtts means that generally they are quite capable of getting away from 1 pair [and over pairs] especially so early and deep stacked.
TopPair2Pair:
Ok if its an MTT that makes a lot more sense regardin the trappy play.
personally I dont think she"s going anywhere to a check raise with such a prem hand on that flop. I cant really think about anything else seriously atm until i get my head around the turn but will need to look at that again tomo when i can see straight! If you have any priors that would be good to look at, I get the feeling she"s been running popps over and he finally thinks he gots her!
With regards to the 22 river decision, popps has to accept defeat here imo and demonstrate the dicipline to himself to lay it down. Any other card then a J or a Q on the turn and I think she bets out and his creativity gets paid off unless she has a read on him (check call read???!) Damn I wish u recorded this so I could whatch it over and then whatch her recent video a few times
Swinebag:
annette played it perfectly (not too controversial to say that really) and got lucky. I really like her bet on the river (even though I dont fully understand it). The guy with the 22 played it poorly. lead the flop there for so many reasons....
1. you could get rearaised and then you are in valoo town
2. with 2 spades and 8 10 we have a drawy board. There are too many potential scare cards (one of which landed on the turn). When I say scare card, I mean scared about not getting value from my set.
3. check raising is probably not too bad (let the aggressor take the lead and all that...) but will most times kill the action and probably not build the pot you think it will.
check calling is awful and achieves nothing but keeping the pot small and in a perverse way annette now has control of the pot with the worse hand.
The check on the turn is possibly not the worst thing, given how badly the flop was played and what has now come on the turn, but to then min raise the river makes absolutely no sense to me and is a mandatory call for annette.
I remember playing a set this badly myself at the Walsall national last year and would like to think I"ve learnt from the experience.
PS...cant believe you folded the best hand noble1
PPS...4-6-0 formation FTW...you jammy scouse gits
noble1:
nice summary Swinebag22 , i like your thoughts on leading out with the set oop.I will put some thoughts on this later tomorrow but i"d like to see other APATers views on this before i do so, its not as a straight forward situation as may first appear if you analyze it.
--- Quote ---annette played it perfectly (not too controversial to say that really) and got lucky. I really like her bet on the river (even though I dont fully understand it).
--- End quote ---
Lucky is a bit strong :) as Annette demonstrates the power of position if you look at it again.
The river bet makes sense if you play back in your mind any hand that is beating her on the turn will more than likely bet out on the turn,applying this logic of thinking you see why she value bets the river [and the amount] now apply that logic to what would check call the flop and check the turn and again check the river
and you can see how annette worked out villians likely holdings.
--- Quote ---PS...cant believe you folded the best hand noble1
--- End quote ---
errr my image was slightly loose at this moment in the mtt as i had stacked only shortly before a opponent with KK with my power house 84 off suit which i had raised utg ;D needless to say i thought i better lay low for a couple of orbits lol...
--- Quote ---PPS...4-6-0 formation FTW...you jammy scouse gits
--- End quote ---
what a great game ;D who needs strikers away from home against such poor opposition lol lol bring back sven lmao ;D
Swinebag:
Thanks noble1. Every poker test I"ve done has criticised my river play. I miss loads of value bets here. One of my new years resolutions is to improve my river play
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