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playing a set out of position.
Swinebag:
Well done on losing the minimum. i can see why you called there and the reasoning seems fine.
In my analysis, I gave the players far too much credit (when it seems they were a couple of donkeys) and came up with a fold on the flop, but in reality, if i was in that situation, I couldn"t fold (though I"d have check/folded on the turn if I"d have called)
I would have probably still shoved on the flop.
If anything this hand demonstrates the power of position and solid reads.
Eck:
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on December 18, 2008, 15:10:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Eck on December 18, 2008, 15:00:10 PM ---
Sigh
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Is that a sigh that I"m one of the bad players? :D
You don"t like the way I played it at all?
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No I don"t like it at all I am shoving here 100% of the time. No way i am putting half my stack in knowing i have the best hand then be prepared to fold if a "scare" card comes. I would give the others the decision to make and obviously fade the club as well. Would be interested to hear Flushy/Triggs views..stick it up on blonde and see what gets said please.
TopPair2Pair:
Did you tell the lad you had 3"s when you asked if he wuda called a shove on flop? lol!!
Anyway, regardless I think your instincts were right and would"ve played it in a similar way, if not exactly the same.
If I was feeling tricky,would"ve donated a snidey bigger flush representation with a pitiful (max 25% pot) lead to his check on turn, following on with our earlier strong flop call, which i would have hoped the net player at least would remember and fear a bigger flush, pos even nut f/draw.
Its a very risky and pointless manouvre in most circumstances but its very confusing for BB. Old boy is still riasing tho
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Eck on December 18, 2008, 15:36:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on December 18, 2008, 15:10:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Eck on December 18, 2008, 15:00:10 PM ---
Sigh
--- End quote ---
Is that a sigh that I"m one of the bad players? :D
You don"t like the way I played it at all?
--- End quote ---
No I don"t like it at all I am shoving here 100% of the time. No way i am putting half my stack in knowing i have the best hand then be prepared to fold if a "scare" card comes. I would give the others the decision to make and obviously fade the club as well. Would be interested to hear Flushy/Triggs views..stick it up on blonde and see what gets said please.
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Yeah, I will. EvilPie was on the table and he said that he"d have pushed as well.
noble1:
i can see the argument for shoving the flop,but after the action i"d feel that if any 2 of my opponents are on a flush draw they are not going to fold.
Although calling the flop re-raise leaves us with 8500 chips [56bb - 10000 chips start] with 45 min levels this only being level 3,we still have enough to build back up.
If this was in the later levels and we was down in the 10 to 25bb stack size area then i"d be all for shoving in this situation.
Because online mtts mainly start 75bb 15 min levels i think a lot of players cant adapt patience wise to a slower deeper structure and try to accumulate to quickly and push there 50% edges one to many times in the belief that they have a greater chance of going deeper.
Even with 56bb left it is not winning big pots with big hands that is the goal but trying to win a ton of small and medium pots.
In mtts like these you are rewarded for how long you last, rather than for how many chips you accumulate.In cash game poker, the chips you save by folding are just as valuable as the chips you win by playing this applies to tournament play as well !! the chips you save are actually more valuable.This concept took me a while to learn whilst i experimented with my mtt strategy and generally through trial and error in my opinion there was no real benefit to gambling early on.There are no concrete rules as to how fast you should try to build your stack in the early going, but the main thing is you don"t want to do is to go broke by playing too loose or put everything on the line in the 3rd level with a %50 edge,there are many other ways to accumulate chips and position is key in picking up all these small to medium pots.The crucial levels dont begin till the 5th onwards imo be that in a slow or fast structured mtt.Use your skills of reading players and betting patterns,do you sense weakness? then take the pot away from them,avoid showdowns as much as you possibly can [you will see some] steal blinds,trust your reads and your image if its tight 3 bet a medium stack gain chips there.
The people who take early leads in mtts rarely win FACT..So why the mentality to accumulate early or push fine edges??? i find that just by trying to out last all my opponents get into the cash positions or near the bubble then my chances of getting deeper increase as i open my game up then,often one double up at this stage sends you soaring up the leader board.
This is just my opinion ;D
regards
noble
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