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noble1:
--- Quote from: Roscopiko on January 14, 2009, 16:20:55 PM ---
The flaw to this strategy is that it does not work at all for lower buy-in cos you get called by all sorts all the time and then you are just playing bingo.
Its a levels on levels thing innit!! You know hes got nothing, but he knows you know, so maybe he has.............. ???
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in lower buy ins you have to factor in wider call ranges yes,but it can still work well if used on tight players or you have chips to burn on short stacks, but i"d use it sparingly as all they see is a complete maniac ;D
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: noble1 on January 14, 2009, 17:19:16 PM ---
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That means that when we push, he is going to fold 90% of the time, and we will win the blinds and antes.
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It is +EV but I suspect it is still bad on account of the fact that I don"t think you need to push to get him to fold 90% of the time.
If a 5 x big blind raise will make him fold 90% of the time (or 3 x make him fold 85% etc) then you will lose less when you"re not stealing. Therefore making not shoving more +EV than shoving.
This makes sense doesn"t it?
???
noble1:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on January 14, 2009, 17:23:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on January 14, 2009, 17:19:16 PM ---
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That means that when we push, he is going to fold 90% of the time, and we will win the blinds and antes.
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It is +EV but I suspect it is still bad on account of the fact that I don"t think you need to push to get him to fold 90% of the time.
If a 5 x big blind raise will make him fold 90% of the time (or 3 x make him fold 85% etc) then you will lose less when you"re not stealing. Therefore making not shoving more +EV than shoving.
This makes sense doesn"t it?
???
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to make it +EV you need to put chipaccrual all in pre-flop...if you raise and chipaccrual only calls you still need to bet enough to put chipaccrual all in and if he were to fold for some reason you are actually losing value..then figures wise it is just about a -EV move that way.
plus as kinboshi said it is pretty hard to combat , if you raise say 3or4x then chipaccrual goes all in you haven"t got the correct odds to call with 83ss,you can counter a sb raiser by putting them to the test by going all in but if the sb just shoves pre you are pretty well f*c*ed.
tonyj444:
--- Quote from: noble1 on January 14, 2009, 17:19:16 PM ---
10% call range assigned for chipaccrual - 88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo
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I"m guessing it is Stove that gives you this range if you ask for top 10%? Just found it curious that this essentially rates QTs/QJs as a better hand than KJo....?
noble1:
--- Quote from: tonyj444 on January 26, 2009, 13:55:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on January 14, 2009, 17:19:16 PM ---
10% call range assigned for chipaccrual - 88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo
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I"m guessing it is Stove that gives you this range if you ask for top 10%? Just found it curious that this essentially rates QTs/QJs as a better hand than KJo....?
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go to pokerstove home page tony the answer to that is there,to say it is complex is putting it mildly :) it works though ;D
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