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tonyj444:
Hand that came up in a local live tournament in Southampton.  It"s advertised as a deepstack (10k starting stack) but isn"t really because the level increases are too large (25/50 - 50/100 - 100/200 - 200/400 - 400/800 - 600/1200).

We"re at level 600/1200 and I think there"s 11 runners left (I believe it started with 21), so average stack is around about the 15bb mark. 

Table is 5-handed, we are in the BB with a stack of about 18k (15bb).
Action folds around to the SB who has a stack of about 15k, who thus far has been an absolute rock.  He has never to this point raised when folded to in the SB and I think the only hand of his I have seen was AK which he open shoved from the CO with about 8bb.

SB Raises to 2600.
We have 99 in the BB and call
Flop comes 852 rainbow (pot is 5200)
SB Bets 2000
We raise to 5500
SB Shoves (it takes him less than 5-seconds to come to this decision)
We fold

Basically this has been nagging at me because I really don"t like my line but I"m struggling with what other options are available. 

Pre-flop
Against any other player at the table this is an easy shove pre but I genuinely believe this guys range is something like TT+ AQ+ and have to assume he calls a shove with all of this range (slight possibility I have some FE against AQ but it"s probably 50/50).  So I don"t really want to get it in pre, hence the smooth call.

Flop
His opening bet confused me a lot.  I simply could not decide if this was a very tentative c-bet with AK/AQ or a big pair trying to entice chips into the pot.  I haven"t seen him play any flops (I only got moved to his table at about level 4), the only read I have is he is tight pre and also from speaking to him I don"t believe he is a very experienced player.  In the end I decided my 5500 raise was enough to bring a fold from AK/AQ without needlessly committing myself against overpairs.

Thought very welcome....

Swinebag:
if you are sure you are behind his range then fold preflop

you couldn"t have got a more favourable flop than this one (barring a 9) and bled nearly half your stack on it.

Having said that, i"d shove back on him pre. The game is 5 handed so making moves are needed here. This fella may be very aware of his image and may be exploiting it.

noble1:

--- Quote ---Flop
His opening bet confused me a lot.  I simply could not decide if this was a very tentative c-bet with AK/AQ or a big pair trying to entice chips into the pot.  I haven"t seen him play any flops (I only got moved to his table at about level 4), the only read I have is he is tight pre and also from speaking to him I don"t believe he is a very experienced player.  In the end I decided my 5500 raise was enough to bring a fold from AK/AQ without needlessly committing myself against overpairs.
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as played -
considering your read of the player/situation the call pre-flop is fine imo,on the flop
though i think i would call his bet and see what he does on the turn,the call should get the same effect as the re-raise as he may well give up betting his AK AQ hands...

has he seen you play any hands up to now tony? just wondering what your image is to him?

kinboshi:

--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on January 28, 2009, 13:15:13 PM ---
if you are sure you are behind his range then fold preflop

you couldn"t have got a more favourable flop than this one (barring a 9) and bled nearly half your stack on it.

Having said that, i"d shove back on him pre. The game is 5 handed so making moves are needed here. This fella may be very aware of his image and may be exploiting it.

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Rob has saved me writing my thoughts.  They are exactly this.  Which I bet is fairly scary for Rob.

noble1:
with no good reads on villain except suspicions that he is tight and considering Tonys stack size do we want to go to war with 99 in this spot pre?

it has only cost tony 3bb in total if he calls the flop bet? and if villain does have AK AQ tony is well ahead,the action villain takes on the turn will tell us a lot more as villain has left enough chips back to get away from his hand...was the small cbet a small desperate prod/in-experienced play with an ace K/Q or a value type bet trying to induce a move by tony?

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