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TopPair2Pair:

--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on January 28, 2009, 13:15:13 PM ---
if you are sure you are behind his range then fold preflop

you couldn"t have got a more favourable flop than this one (barring a 9) and bled nearly half your stack on it.

Having said that, i"d shove back on him pre. The game is 5 handed so making moves are needed here. This fella may be very aware of his image and may be exploiting it.

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agreed on everything here, folding 99 here is very feasible as is putting our tournement on the line. If he is as inexperienced as we think, he is probably overating his table image as well as not rly thinking about our cards. 2k into this flop with oop seems weak to me, if his minraising AA, KK, (maybe even QQ) here his checking this flop, i would be looking for any inconsistency in the "way" he betted pre and post for a reason to fold to the shove other then that given our line i"m calling.

He may just be holding TT++ thinking he has the nuts, or A8s is more likely, maybe even A2~5s.

Its probably best not to beat yourself up over this one, the flop 3bet hurts us but the majority of the time on this flop this player should fold to ur reraise but his experience=unpredictability which means its a v tough spot to determine what the best line of action should"ve been.

noble1:

--- Quote ---but the majority of the time on this flop this player should fold to ur reraise but his experience=unpredictability which means its a v tough spot to determine what the best line of action should"ve been.
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errr call flop bet  :) why re-raise if we are going to fold with such a shallow stack if villain rr shoves ?

Tony wondered if there was a different option to re-raising on the flop there is by calling...

LongshanksED:
i  wouldve called the pre flop bet and the flop bet then see what the SB would do on the turn

i"ve seen me call down with 55 (albeit with an open ended straight draw) in local tourneys only to my opponent show AQ or AK

sure the betting is getting big here though

post flop i call and see where the turn leads

tonyj444:
Thanks for all the reaponses everyone.


--- Quote from: noble1 on January 28, 2009, 13:51:37 PM ---

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has he seen you play any hands up to now tony? just wondering what your image is to him?

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I had been playing what I would term "standard" tournament strategy for this stage of the comp.  Steals from position into weak opponents (but not excessively, probably averaging around the 1 per orbit mark) and a couple of re-steals from the blinds (this was specifically against the big-stack at the table who I know very well and was confident that his raising range is massive and that he has a healthy respect for my raises).  So to someone inexperienced in tournaments I may have seemed slightly aggro but I certainly never got too out of line and the only hand I remember showing at the table was AJ which I had raised from the CO and run into a short-stack shoving 33.

With regards to the rest of the comments, I definitely stand by my read that a shove pre was a bad move and I"m also pretty happy with my eventual fold.  When he shoves I don"t think I"m ahead of any of his range, so yes it hurts to fold having burned half my stack, but in this spot it is the correct decision.  He later told me he had QQ, I obviously don"t know this for sure but it is certainly in his range and I see no reason not to believe hom.

So aside from that the general consensus seems to be that I should have flatted on the flop.  I did give serious consideration to this but also worried that he may see this line as weakness and then shove any turn.  The primary reason for the raise was that against this specific player I thought it was the best way to confirm where I stood in the hand.  The problem with it is obviosuly that it cost me a high% of chips to find out, which is why I dont really like the line.  I"m just not sure I like a smooth call on the flop either because it feels a little bit like I"m merely delaying the decision but without getting too much more info.  If he is willing to make such a trappy bet with QQ, does it not follow that he may possibly check the turn to me?  Conversely if this is a bet with AK/AQ he may catch up on the turn or could conceivably shove on me.  Whilst the line I took was expensive I believe it gave me the best opportunity to define where I stood.
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Danz0r:
Hmm.

I think I call here and he shows AK/AQ.
He"ll probably catch his A on the river though, knowing my luck.

But as already said, depends exactly how tight he"s been playing etc, tough one.

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