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NO SNOW - 2 a.m. finishes ... Structure!?
Eck:
Agree with Brian about the calling of the clock.
Even in the early stages when i was still in people were taking a ridiculous time to make decisions preflop, no idea how they manage on the internet ??? I have no problem with people thinking about a tough decision but how many do you have in a game?
HaworthBantam:
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--- Quote from: HaworthBantam on February 09, 2009, 17:24:58 PM ---
From the APAT rules, for info.....
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44. Calling for the clock procedures: Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called for, a player will be given one minute to make a decision. If action has not been taken by the time the minute is over, there will be a ten second countdown. If a player has not acted on his hand by the time the countdown is over, the hand will be dead. The following individuals, without exception, are entitled to call a clock on a player;-
1. Tournament Director.
2. Table Dealer.
3. Another player participating in that specific hand.
For the avoidance of doubt, the clock cannot be called on a player by another player who is not participating in the hand in question.
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and APAT were spot in enforcing that rule but in any other tourney you play in the UK clock can be called by anyone at the table and to be fair when antes come in everyone has an interest for time to move on. I don"t think calling clock can be abused but knowing that you cannot have the clock called on you can be.
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The table/dealer/TD would have to careful that equal time was allowed towards the end of a level as at the beginning. I"ve seen it abused by players not in the hand close to the level end.
duncthehat:
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44. Calling for the clock procedures: Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called for, a player will be given one minute to make a decision. If action has not been taken by the time the minute is over, there will be a ten second countdown. If a player has not acted on his hand by the time the countdown is over, the hand will be dead. The following individuals, without exception, are entitled to call a clock on a player;-
1. Tournament Director.
2. Table Dealer.
3. Another player participating in that specific hand.
For the avoidance of doubt, the clock cannot be called on a player by another player who is not participating in the hand in question.
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Early on in the tournament there was a hand on my table between a couple of players that took forever indeed one player contemplating for just under 5 minutes before raising all in and the other taking a full 5 to make his decision.
although out of the hand both myself and Foggy contemplated asking for the clock. We both held stum for my part simply because I had taken a few minutes to decide to fold to an all in bet on the turn knowing I had 12 outs almost certainly 15 and possibly 18 only 10 minutes earlier. The Gambler in me desperately wanted to gamble and run up to nearly 40k if i hit but crippled if missed halfway through level 2 but I chickened out.
Had either of us called the clock I see we would have been in breach of APAT rules which would have been unfortunate.
I think this rule needs to be looked at. For the record the 2 players involved were not trying to time waste but feedback does seem to suggest there was a hell of lot of timewasting later when the blinds got serious.
Surely if you are in the tournament the timewasting does affect you whether in the hand or not.
bigalhx3:
--- Quote from: WASP on February 09, 2009, 17:06:02 PM ---
The structure was spot on and no need to be tweaked IMO. Maybe rulings need to tweaked like "calling clock is not in the APAT spirit" as we had no play in the last level and we wasn"t allowed to call clock when players were tank folding for 5 mins a round.
Also there was a loooooong delay before the final table, for probably over 2 hours, not APAT's fault but people were waiting for food etc. If we had just had a quick break and started again we"d have been done well before midnight.
You cannot judge a structure on one tourney it needs to be run a few times before you get a fuller picture.
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yes it was very bad late on when the button (65k) was tank folding j/9 after 10 mins to a under the gun all in off 28k
WASP:
--- Quote from: bigalhx3 on February 09, 2009, 19:52:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: WASP on February 09, 2009, 17:06:02 PM ---
The structure was spot on and no need to be tweaked IMO. Maybe rulings need to tweaked like "calling clock is not in the APAT spirit" as we had no play in the last level and we wasn"t allowed to call clock when players were tank folding for 5 mins a round.
Also there was a loooooong delay before the final table, for probably over 2 hours, not APAT's fault but people were waiting for food etc. If we had just had a quick break and started again we"d have been done well before midnight.
You cannot judge a structure on one tourney it needs to be run a few times before you get a fuller picture.
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yes it was very bad late on when the button (65k) was tank folding j/9 after 10 mins to a under the gun all in off 28k
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loooool
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