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NO SNOW - 2 a.m. finishes ... Structure!?
Chipaccrual:
--- Quote from: rivertaff on February 09, 2009, 18:54:37 PM ---
Hi,
sorry but did not know where to post this question.
According to the live national schedule there are sats for world open 2nite,2moro and Wednesday.
Did question it with Leigh at time of schedule published cos world open not until August but told correct - but i can"t find them on Blue Sq.
Is it me?
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It was correct, but they are going to be moved by a week due to timing issues.
Keep an eye on the forum for an update. ;D
TightEnd:
Hi all
Rest assured we spent a lot of the weekend considering the structure changes, observing etc
For starters it wasn"t possible to start earlier on day One. To be frank the venue itself had severe organisational problems and led to a tense couple of hours pre-event. This may not be the case at every venue, but its a big ask to start earlier in our experience.
At the end of Day One, we stop when players have been playing for 12 hours roughly. Thats a long day for APAT organisers as well as remaining players. This time round 5 mins longer per level plus 500-1000 plus too shallow antes all contributed to 47 coming back. So there is definitely scope to make a few alterations to those factors, rather than going on for longer on day one
Start of day two you typically run into casino staffing issues..dealers, front desk etc that prevents earlier starts
Switching to split dinner breaks is definitely under consideration though
The long break before the final yesterday was most undesirable, and will be triple checked next event to avoid if at all possible
So in summary a few tweakings maybe, but no great change to start/finish timings IMO
Onto time taken to make decisions. The relevant APAT rule has been mentioned, and I myself had to tell the likes of Brian and that table late on day one that you could not call a clock if you aren"t in a hand. It should be noted that the rule is framed like that because there is a tacit understanding that the DEALER will take the lead in calling for a clock if need be. I think though this is over-optimistic as dealers can be inexperienced or intimidated (and that Adam Wilkinson, Armitage, Martin table was lively and not for the faint hearted) and rarely call for a clock in my experience. I could not though go against an APAT rule mid comp, not matter how frustrated everyone was.
So we"ll look at that rule before Cardiff.
bigalhx3:
think the the structure was perfect there was a combanation of things that made it late
1st was the late start of 20 mins not apat fault that the gramophone did not work but it did saved us from the grandads train stories
second was the slow play from the player late on on day 2 the players fault not the structure
and then the 3rd was the 2hr dinner break before the final table it was just one of them things that happend mix up between players apat and casino
cut these things out and the structure would have been fine and eveyone would have being going home by 12
Honeybadg:
... good stuff... good to know that the feedback is listened too and taken account of.
Of of interest from the APAT's point of view what is the optimal time for the tournament to end ... I appreciate there will be some +/- in this ... but interested in the thought process.
Cheers
Louis
waltypies:
--- Quote from: Honeybadg on February 09, 2009, 16:41:00 PM ---
... it seems like a crazy time to be finishing on a Sunday night ...
Structure to be tweaked ... if there are 200 runners needs more of a twist I think.
I would be keen to kick antes in quicker ... only way to induce early action with "rocks" getting eaten away.
Various other threads have eluded to the fact this was a one off ... but it looked like a late late finish from very early on.
It must have affected some players needing to get home etc ...
I look forward to thoughts.
Louis
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I have not read ANY of the posts below so i am sorry if i may have repeated anything from anybody.
The main reason for the late finishing time was basically the amount of people down to the last 30-40 not being able to play a short stack. There were no risks taken which should have been taken and no one grabbed the game by the balls one bit. If someone decided to do that the game would have been over ALOT quicker.
I am not ****ting on anyones play but it really was like watching paint dry the amount of SUPER "tight" play near the end.
However i personally put this down to the standard of tournament poker at the moment.
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