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NO SNOW - 2 a.m. finishes ... Structure!?
Honeybadg:
... liking this structure ...
L
Honeybadg:
... it"s always "nearly time for the clock" ...
L
Ripple11:
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44. Calling for the clock procedures: Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called for, a player will be given one minute to make a decision. If action has not been taken by the time the minute is over, there will be a ten second countdown. If a player has not acted on his hand by the time the countdown is over, the hand will be dead. The following individuals, without exception, are entitled to call a clock on a player;-
1. Tournament Director.
2. Table Dealer.
3. Another player participating in that specific hand.
For the avoidance of doubt, the clock cannot be called on a player by another player who is not participating in the hand in question.
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Early on in the tournament there was a hand on my table between a couple of players that took forever indeed one player contemplating for just under 5 minutes before raising all in and the other taking a full 5 to make his decision.
although out of the hand both myself and Foggy contemplated asking for the clock. We both held stum for my part simply because I had taken a few minutes to decide to fold to an all in bet on the turn knowing I had 12 outs almost certainly 15 and possibly 18 only 10 minutes earlier. The Gambler in me desperately wanted to gamble and run up to nearly 40k if i hit but crippled if missed halfway through level 2 but I chickened out.
Had either of us called the clock I see we would have been in breach of APAT rules which would have been unfortunate.
I think this rule needs to be looked at. For the record the 2 players involved were not trying to time waste but feedback does seem to suggest there was a hell of lot of timewasting later when the blinds got serious.
Surely if you are in the tournament the timewasting does affect you whether in the hand or not.
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Exactly..........but as Tighty says a lot of dealers feel intimidated to call the clock.
Solutions?.well I"ve seen a player (not in the hand) ask the dealer if its "nearly" time to call the clock?!
FirePhil:
--- Quote from: gatso on February 10, 2009, 19:58:09 PM ---
structure was superb and only needs a little tweaking to give a sensible finish time. this should do it imo
- increase antes on levels 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 18. the others are spot on
- extra level at end of saturday, ideally 2
- do not break any tables until field is at 171. then go to 9 handed tables. this will make for a better game as well as getting in more orbits speeding up the tourney
combine these with not having a huge break pre final table and the structure should work really well
the split dinner break will also make a contribution though not a great one. having 2x45 minutes staggered as opposed to 1x60minutes only saves 15 minutes overall
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That sounds bang on.
I think this tournament was just a bit anomalous, the super tight play after the bubble was a bit odd to see especially given the flat payout structure up until top 3. Probably just a bit of nerves and tiredness after two long days I guess.
waltypies:
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--- Quote from: Honeybadg on February 09, 2009, 16:41:00 PM ---
... it seems like a crazy time to be finishing on a Sunday night ...
Structure to be tweaked ... if there are 200 runners needs more of a twist I think.
I would be keen to kick antes in quicker ... only way to induce early action with "rocks" getting eaten away.
Various other threads have eluded to the fact this was a one off ... but it looked like a late late finish from very early on.
It must have affected some players needing to get home etc ...
I look forward to thoughts.
Louis
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I have not read ANY of the posts below so i am sorry if i may have repeated anything from anybody.
The main reason for the late finishing time was basically the amount of people down to the last 30-40 not being able to play a short stack. There were no risks taken which should have been taken and no one grabbed the game by the balls one bit. If someone decided to do that the game would have been over ALOT quicker.
I am not ****ting on anyones play but it really was like watching paint dry the amount of SUPER "tight" play near the end.
However i personally put this down to the standard of tournament poker at the moment.
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Like your opinion counts for anything ::)
The way you have behaved on countless forums over the years I don"t think New Zealand is far enough for you.
Bye!
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Ermmmmm thats a bit harsh?
a) I have no idea who you are (might be a good thing)
b) You dont know me
c) Countless forums? I seem to recall only having 4 memberships (APAT, Bristol meetup, gambling.co.uk and blonde (very rarely post))
d) Most jokes i make are very tongue in cheek and it does take a bit of intelligence to understand them.
Like i said before i was not putting down anyones play but if they want to play like that its fine. But dont expect the game to be over in time if thats the case.
So please stay under your rock ;)
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