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Winning Players No. 2
Chipaccrual:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on March 13, 2009, 17:50:51 PM ---
I dont think you should target cashing, but aiming to win (or at least top 3) when you go deep.
From an admittedly small sample on pokerstars 180 player SNGs I have an ITM of 19% (beat that moorman ;D) but an ROI of -45% due to the fact that I have yet to make a big score when I do cash.
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Good point, have updated table with ROI aswell. Not a bad stat for George at the moment. ;D
THEGUY84:
nice post guys im liking this.
Well i have started to focus more and cash day to day, with tourneys when I have time, but I am being really stricked with my bankroll at the moment.
It the cash tables I would say I was Tight Agro, but from watching cash games and as Eck mentioned above LAG seem to be the more profitable way to pay cash.
What you guys think??
Lookin at my stats my VPIP is 26.2%, PPR is 13%, 3 bet 4.7% and Agression factor is 2.7.
I am currenly slight down on cash games at the moment seem to be running bad and my night chasing my losses at higher level, but im up in tourney play which, is keeping me +.
From my stats above would do you think??
Keny
George2Loose:
Thanks for mentioning me as a winning player. Anyone who looks at my stats though will actually see I was LOSING money on stars until a few recent wins. Why?
1. I was doing exactly the opposite of what Leigh is now doing. I"d fire up the first available tournaments whether I was in the mood or not.
2. I was playing too big. I went through a period where I was playing every Sunday major I could around 2 years ago. Spending close to 2 grand a week and I wasn"t nearly as good as I am now :D
3. Tilt. I am still working on this leak but am so much better than I was even 6 months ago. All it would take is one bad beat and I"d dump away my chips in all other tourneys cos I was still steaming.
4. Variance was killing me. I was losing at showdown everytime and it had a massive impact on my confidence/game/attitude. Everything! I tried to play through it but as any gambler knows, the more you lose, the more you chase.
I am being so much more prudent with my roll now. I don"t keep it online. It still doesn"t feel like real money to me if your clicking a few buttons to play
I take the odd shot (like the Sunday just gone)
As for family life- what can I say? I have the most beautiful and understanding wife in the world. We obviously both see the benefits of the money but she understands how much I love the game and how much more it makes our lives comfortable. She doesn"t work as a consequence which is great for us and the kids.
We also travel together when we can- and she also plays small stakes online so that helps when I"m telling her about a particular hand.
noble1:
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on March 13, 2009, 10:05:19 AM ---
I love following the exploits of our better players on this site, George and Leigh in particular, these guys are obviously very good players, you can"t go so deep so regularly in the type of tournaments that these guys play, without being good! They must be winning players with the big cashes they have had!
What about the rest of us? For my part I play smaller tournaments and as many APAT events as I can, I consider myself an improving amateur and fully intend to continue improving! The thing is, if I have a decent win, I find it difficult to re invest and build the Bank roll, as my Good lady then expects a meal out on the back of my winnings! Her reward for my time in front of the computer screen! How does that work?
Any way I have thought back along the last year or so, looked at my deposits against my wins, live and on line, including buy ins, and I would say that I am a winning player, but only enough to continue playing if you know what I mean.
The type of small MTTs and SNGs I play I will never be rich, what I need to do is commit the time to playing some of these mega MTTs with the big pay outs, but this is very difficult when you have a wife and kids that expect more from a Dad than a Poker player!
So my question to you big tournament players is, how do you find the time to play them? And also what advice would you give to fellow APATers who wish to emulate your success? Do you have a fixed strategy etc?
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being a everton supporter is a big help i find in being gr8 at poker ;D
--- Quote ---Do you have a fixed strategy etc?
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to become good at mtt"s you have to be good at reading other players styles and understand how important stack size and bet sizing is... position although important
in cash is not quite as crucial in mtts imo as being 1st to lead in a lot of situations and putting your opponent/opponents to a difficult decision can be key.
Bet sizing is a big leak in most players online and live and there is a lack of understanding how to control pot sizes..Being able to understand and think like the players that you are up against at your table is a key skill in developing into a very good mtt player as you will be able to adjust constantly to different players as they come to your table or as what happens a lot in mtts as you are moved from table to table..
The other keys skills are mega patience and the ability/discipline to put/fold big hands down in crucial situations..
You do not have to play a huge volume to improve your reading skills,just by watching and following other good players and practicing your hand reading is a good free way to develop as is reading forum posts and trying to understand how players go about playing there hands and there thought processes on how they would bet them and how they perceive opponent actions..
my list could go on and on but these points above are the meat of becoming good at mtts also it helps to be a true blue toffee supporter FACT ;D [a big heart is essential]
--- Quote from: Chipaccrual on March 13, 2009, 17:26:51 PM ---
Variance is a tricky thing. To give you an idea of how often players cash, opr ranks over 700,000 players on stars. Here"s a selection of players over the past 120 days. All info is in public domain.
NameRankingIn The MoneyITM %ROIMoorman14th85/61914%147%George2Loose348th49/34414%292%shaundeeb2nd205/155813%107%
So the best players are cashing 1 in 6 at best in MTT"s
So if you targetted a 1 in 10 cash, I guess that is a good starting point. What"s other peoples thoughts ?
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remember to take in account field size and buy in when looking at stats as the higher buy ins are a lot tougher to cash consistently, also to find out if you are a long term winning player at mtts you need a sample size of 1000 mtts at least before you know if its just luck and variance...
kinboshi:
Being a bluenose would certainly help you get used to losing.
;)
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