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Righ thing? Wrong Thing?
noble1:
it is interesting how some players view there hand strength to how much they should raise...as is trying to put some1 on a range judged by there pre-flop raise...really imo player style/skill and position should be the factors in judging there pre-flop range , post flop and the turn betting/actions/previous hands played are the areas to narrow opponents holdings further imo...
--- Quote from: AMRN on April 02, 2009, 17:09:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: rubertoe on April 02, 2009, 16:56:45 PM ---
What would people normall open rasie to 2.5x, 3x, or more!
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Interesting question, and I don"t believe there is a one size fits all answer. So many variables that dictate the right response.... ie your table image, general fishyness/tightness of table, blinds size to stack ratio around the table, antes or no antes, size of antes compared to SB, etc etc etc
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agreed good reply - online in the early levels my std raise would be 3x plus 1bb for every limper but i play very taggy early mostly..if i"m in lag mode early then i alternate 2.5x to 3x but always try to be aware of my position in the hand on any callers and above all else make there life a misery ;D as a rule i never call a raise it is fold or re-raise for me or be the initial raiser.. i do mix in calls [but mainly mid to late stages] but only if i think i can get paid off big if i hit or there is an opportunity to bluff my opponents in position...
THEGUY84:
I agree, I tend to only determin my raise size by seeing how oppenents are playing, stack size, blinds etc and also I think Its good to look at what size of raises get through on sertain players, weather LAG or tights. But I would say im a big advocator or keeping my raises the same no matter my holdings.
I also think it important to try not give yourself tough deccisons post flop and this can be controlled through ur pre flop play, I have recently tried not to have to many tough decisions and I would say that it help u get deeper in large online feilds. But saying that you will always have some tought decisions.
You must be able to fold big hand, even if your at final table and you playing for the win. You cant win if you loose all your chips thats for sure,! p.s i dont think I would fold trip Js there.
George2Loose:
U should be 2.5xing after antes usually kick in.
Anything else is way too spewy
AMRN:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on April 03, 2009, 01:33:27 AM ---
U should be 2.5xing after antes usually kick in.
Anything else is way too spewy
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Interesting theory - I tend to go the other way, and when the antes kick in, particularly if they are large antes, I increase my raises a little. Consider that at a full ring table with antes that are 1:4 to the SB, there are effectively 2.5xBB in the pot before any action.... a 2.5xBB gives everyone reasonable odds (2:1) to call with any two cards, particularly as they have position on you. If it folds round to the BB, he cannot fold for 1.5xBB more into a pot of 5xBB - but at least you have position on him.
I guess it depends if you want action, or are just trying to take down the blinds/antes. If you"re only playing premium hands and action is what you want, then 2.5xBB raise here is good..... but if you"re on a stealing rampage, surely you need to pay just a little more to take away the pot odds for anyone behind who fancies seeing a flop with their marginal hands.
deanp27:
--- Quote from: AMRN on April 03, 2009, 08:58:39 AM ---
--- Quote from: George2Loose on April 03, 2009, 01:33:27 AM ---
U should be 2.5xing after antes usually kick in.
Anything else is way too spewy
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Interesting theory - I tend to go the other way, and when the antes kick in, particularly if they are large antes, I increase my raises a little. Consider that at a full ring table with antes that are 1:4 to the SB, there are effectively 2.5xBB in the pot before any action.... a 2.5xBB gives everyone reasonable odds (2:1) to call with any two cards, particularly as they have position on you. If it folds round to the BB, he cannot fold for 1.5xBB more into a pot of 5xBB - but at least you have position on him.
I guess it depends if you want action, or are just trying to take down the blinds/antes. If you"re only playing premium hands and action is what you want, then 2.5xBB raise here is good..... but if you"re on a stealing rampage, surely you need to pay just a little more to take away the pot odds for anyone behind who fancies seeing a flop with their marginal hands.
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to be honest i think you have your thinking the wrong way round. Raising smaller enables you to steal more often. If you are raise/folding then why would you raise bigger?
we want people to call with marginal hands OOP, as in the long run we should be able to take more pots.
I guess if you are just a player who never steals and raises with top 5-10% of hands, then you may as well raise a bit larger for value - but that is no fun at all.
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