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check raise or check jam?

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Chipaccrual:
I"m def calling this and seeing a turn.  Gives you more options as the feel is for a drawing hand.

And I"d be in no rush to get my chips in.  I think I"m ahead at the moment, but would be wary.

Swinebag:

--- Quote from: deanp27 on May 04, 2009, 21:46:21 PM ---
check raise to about 18k to give him chance to spaz over the top of you with his stack size

--- End quote ---


without a read I"d probably do this.

depending on reads, flat calling or shoving can also be good here.

mal666:
any reads or general feel for how your opponents have played up to now?

We just broke from 3 tables down to 2, unfortunately i never had the pleasure to play against luuk1 at any previous point. All we have to go on is a quick opr that reveals he`s a losing player @ over -40%roi. On the other hand swagger man is

+60%
so really its a dream spot imo, swagger man can only call with kk or 55 (both unlikely obv) and our only task is to extract the max from the clown luukk1

noble1:
after luukk1 weak bet i"m finding it difficult to put him on a strong top pair hand and i favour him to have a flush draw if he has 55 then i"m gonna spew,or he has 88 99 TT JJ maybe QQ etc KQcc KJcc are contenders as are off suit
swagger man checking the king is interesting so if we call and he smooths the pot still wont be inflated enough for me.
Our juicy target has led and i"d want to isolate him and try to get 2 streets of value out of him,so i"d check raise to 20,000 and offer him around 3to1 to chase the draw or bad calls with top pair etc... i cannot see any value here slow playing with a decent stack size but if swagger man wakes up with a 3bet check raise then i"d lay bottom set down..if a blank on the turn i"ll lead around 30,000
and hope for a bad call , blank river i"d expect him to fold if we lead, so now maybe check and hope to induce a bluff from him maybe the best approach or he had a king all along  :)
if luukk1 re-raises our 2bet on the flop then its time to ship em in and pray to the poker gods its a draw or something we are beating  ;D
if a club comes turn i"m not going to slow down,i"ll still lead 30,000 he calls but check the river and fold if he bets,obviously non pairing board [but check below for revised line] if he goes all in on the turn to a club, i"m calling at just about the correct odds to bink a pairing card on the river....
if club river hope for check check ;D though are any in favour of 3 barrels if a club comes on river? i"m swayed towards unbridled aggression sometimes...DIFFERENT LINE TURN - my logic on the turn being if villain has a  acXc hand he will jam flop or turn if club comes pretty much no? so if he only calls turn club i"m in favour of 3rd barrel river..

deanp27:
check raising is better than leading, which is much better than check calling IMO.

Check/Calling with these hands has merit when you have position, but check/calling and then leading is such a weird line and makes no sense. If he has a draw he gets there for free, if he has Kx and the club comes down it kills your action and you play this hand OOP against 1 or 2 opponents. you may as well lead the pot and try and induce action from Kx or a semi bluff from some sort of draw, or maybe a call from a mid-pair.

If the opponent is bad i like raising smallish to induce him to either call or shove with his KQ/KJ type hands.

FWIW there is no way i ever fold a set on this board whatever the action (rightly or wrongly).

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