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kinboshi:
Of course you have to show both cards to win a pot in any "proper" venue.  Anyone who shows one card and tries to claim a pot deserves to be shot anyway, but that"s another matter.

Amongst a number of things, one reason you have to show both is that the other card in your hand might be a rogue card (i.e. a 53rd card in the deck meaning that there is more than one of the same card in the deck, etc.).  

coprey:
The big question for me follows:

Why did Tobias flat call with Q high?

deanp27:

--- Quote from: coprey on September 30, 2009, 16:08:01 PM ---
The big question for me follows:

Why did Tobias flat call with Q high?

--- End quote ---


he thought it was possibly good - his expanation is on 2+2 but not sure i can post the link on here

Hello, I"m the "random EuroDonk" (thx alot for the nice description btw).

Just to give a short explanation of the hand: I had good reasons to believe that de Wolfe was bluffing here a decenct amount of the time and that he would just openmuck his hand in this case even if his bluff beats my hand (like lots of live players do when they have been caught bluffing).

Just to clarify: I did not say at any point that my hand beats Khi and also never insulted Roland or something (I actually think he"s a pretty nice guy and we talked about this hand very friendly just 15 minutes later). I only told him to show his second card or I will not show.

Why do you think Roland showed the Kc btw? Definitely not because he though he had any showdown value at all. Imo he showed his hand to pretent to have had a busted flushdraw and/or to make me show my hand. Directly after his river bet, I instantly grabbed the chips out of my stack as if I"d auto call and started a little conversation with him and said that I had a pretty strong hand that I cannot muck (that part has been cut from the vid). So how can de Wolfe possibly think his Khi has any showdown value at all in a big pot like that after he gets called?!

I admit that the fist pump was a bit out of line and apologize for it (even though poker is war not a playground). All the pent-up tension has been released at that moment as I didn"t expect him to show a K or a bluff that beats me and I was trying to stay cool to make him muck his hand. I don"t think my behaviour was unethical or something though. It would have been smarter not to show my hand and just take the pot because this would have saved me from a lot of trouble.

AMRN:
if show one card and muck the other, you only have one card.... therefore your hand is dead. Takes two cards to make a hand, and a live hand is needed to claim a pot.

antthecat:
i did not want to look like an a***hole but there are rules for play, if two players are all in then they dont show one card, they show both, in my op his ace was winning but i did ask him to show a full hand earlier that evening which he didnt and claimed the pot, i had to make a point this time and try to get the game played properly.

after a few words the matter was resolved and i claimed the pot, after this everyone was taking the piss by showing one and then saying 10 seconds later "oh, my kicker was this!" come on everyone play by the rules

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