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IPO day 2 misplayed hand - views welcome
Marty719:
Im prob not folding if he open shoves the flop. And while we have no direct reads, the fact that he has all the ante chips at the table leads us to belive he is very active.
--- Quote from: JamieCarra on October 30, 2009, 12:49:43 PM ---
lol 17bbshoveaments
do you really think the most important thing in the BBs head is going to be the price he"s getting when he"s got a stack in the region of 20 - 25 BBs? Give him the price to call if he wants, he"s more than welcome to come along oop with his rags.
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This is 100% my though process in this spot. Really the final table were the only spots were the money was very good - I wanted to give myself a good chance to get there. Dnt want to open-shove every hand Im playing with
noble1:
yep i saw that u noted he had lots of small chips but at a 24bb stack size i discounted that he had been recently active.
i hope u can see the points i make for the stop+go at these stack sizes, as for calling if he did stop+go then good for u as it is the only defence against it,,but i"d like to see 1st that the player is capable of this pattern of play before i start calling. Stack wise its a high risk approach hence again in your situation/villains stacks i prefer shove pre,just seems more ev to me than any other play here we come up with.
anyhows good thread,got a few involved for once :)
WYoung83:
Its a really interesting thread and a problem that can be quite common in tourney play. i still think shoving is right, Unless you are going to stick it in on the flop no matter what he does when he acts first.
If i had a bigger stack infront of me. (say 20-25BBs, for arguments sake) i would raised 5xBB pre flop against this player with the antes out there. if he has me covered i like to manipulate the size of the pot so i can easily sick my stack in later in the hand, either by shoving to his repop or, on the flop after his flat call, no matter what comes down.
The easiest thing in this situation for AQ, would be to shove pre after he repops, but he just flats. So it makes so many variables later on.
Another thing to consider, Raising "bigger" pre flop against tougher opponents, people who have you covered or people who never fold the BB is, in my opion much better than the 2.5xbb that has created the situation that we are now discussing.
Anyway i never ment to be arrogant or disrespectful at all. i was just beign silly when i said that people dont know what they talking about, i have a black humor.
noble1:
just ran it through sheets shove it spreadsheet ,so outta interest here are the results -
Players to act behind 2
Villain calls push with 10.3% 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo
Effective stack 170000
blinds/antes 5000 10000 1000
Win % AQo vs shove call range - 50.5%
Open Shove 200,678.35
give villain tighter range to call with of top 4% 99+,AQs+,AKo
Win % AQo vs shove call range - 33.3%
Open Shove 170,653.03
give villain a loose 30% call range - 55+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A7o+,A5o,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
Win % AQo vs shove call range - 60%
Open Shove 330,384.00
so maths wise it is chip ev+
JamieCarra:
--- Quote from: noble1 on October 30, 2009, 19:56:34 PM ---
just ran it through sheets shove it spreadsheet ,so outta interest here are the results -
Players to act behind 2
Villain calls push with 10.3% 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo
Effective stack 170000
blinds/antes 5000 10000 1000
Win % AQo vs shove call range - 50.5%
Open Shove 200,678.35
give villain tighter range to call with of top 4% 99+,AQs+,AKo
Win % AQo vs shove call range - 33.3%
Open Shove 170,653.03
give villain a loose 30% call range - 55+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A7o+,A5o,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
Win % AQo vs shove call range - 60%
Open Shove 330,384.00
so maths wise it is chip ev+
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Calling a bet when last to act on the river with the stone cold nuts is +ev, it still doesn"t mean that it is the best option available though!
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