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IPO day 2 misplayed hand - views welcome
Marty719:
--- Quote from: noble1 on October 30, 2009, 12:17:10 PM ---
The only line i disagree with is the one marty actually played [sry marty :)]
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lol - not a problem - the reason I posted the hand up was bcos I disagreed with my line here :) cheers for the input.
deanp27:
not sure you get called 17bb shoves with weaker aces than AQ. Your hand looks like a hand too strong to pass but vulnerable. Therefore a good hand but not total premium. Exactly what your hand is.
I had this discussion in another thread somewhere and agree it is close and is a perfectly valid play.
just can"t see AJ snapping you off here, but then again i give opponents too much credit sometimes.
i just go for the win when i play and i try the higher risk maneouvre of trying to get some aggro guy to resteal on me with worse.
JamieCarra:
--- Quote from: WYoung83 on October 30, 2009, 01:01:13 AM ---
Great post Noble,and for once there is someone here who seems to know what they are talking about.
I still cant belive the ammount of players who think shoving pre is bad. Once you have raised the hand enough to not give the BB odds to call, you are now pot commited. So you may aswell be the first in vigourish anyway.
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lol 17bbshoveaments
do you really think the most important thing in the BBs head is going to be the price he"s getting when he"s got a stack in the region of 20 - 25 BBs? Give him the price to call if he wants, he"s more than welcome to come along oop with his rags.
noble1:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on October 30, 2009, 12:25:32 PM ---
not sure you get called 17bb shoves with weaker aces than AQ. Your hand looks like a hand too strong to pass but vulnerable. Therefore a good hand but not total premium. Exactly what your hand is.
I had this discussion in another thread somewhere and agree it is close and is a perfectly valid play.
just can"t see AJ snapping you off here, but then again i give opponents too much credit sometimes.
i just go for the win when i play and i try the higher risk maneouvre of trying to get some aggro guy to resteal on me with worse.
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i used to give to much credit as well,but after adding this into my game at low as well as high buy in tournys then i have seen quite a wide range call in similar situations with 22+ Ax it was sooooooted :) A9o+ KQs KJs and very occasionally even worse..
if we were in the bb then if marty were to std raise it seems a good spot to stop"n"go him,any lowish or paired flop would be ideal to shove and ace high with 14bb+ behind would definitely be a horrible/difficult spot to call.
noble1:
--- Quote from: JamieCarra on October 30, 2009, 12:49:43 PM ---
lol 17bbshoveaments
do you really think the most important thing in the BBs head is going to be the price he"s getting when he"s got a stack in the region of 20 - 25 BBs? Give him the price to call if he wants, he"s more than welcome to come along oop with his rags.
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hence if he calls,a 1/2 decent mtt player will stop+go given stack sizes and antes in play etc etc,,sry i"m defending the shove option in this situation/no reads as being the best line to take.
A good piece of advice i got from a vv good mtt player i got once was
--- Quote ---look to maximise EXPECTATION,not your chances of getting called.Big bets and overbets/shoves can be seen as bluffs in mtts and sometimes get paid off
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good advice i thought :) always treat every poker game as a lesson and u wont go far wrong is my mantra..
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