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pokernuts07:
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 04, 2009, 14:16:42 PM ---
Got all that then? According to our panel you should have shoved, folded or limped preflop & on the flop either shove, check-fold or check-jam. Glad we have cleared that up for you. Anyone else want our expert advice?
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What is your preferred play John?
Marty719:
--- Quote from: pokernuts07 on December 04, 2009, 14:35:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 04, 2009, 14:16:42 PM ---
Got all that then? According to our panel you should have shoved, folded or limped preflop & on the flop either shove, check-fold or check-jam. Glad we have cleared that up for you. Anyone else want our expert advice?
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LOL ;D
Mixed opinions then.......which is good in a way. Seems a few plays could of been made here, obviously in hindsight I picked the wrong one :(
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Just because u ran into A10 this time does not nec make it the wrong play. Cnt b too results orientated in this spot.
deanp27:
obv depends on players, their stack sizes and their limping ranges but i don"t like shoving 10bb with weak hands after 4 limpers. Just think there are loads of better spots as you should be getting called a high % of the time by a better hand.
but then again if there are so many limpers at this blind level then i would imagine that it isn"t as terrible a move as i initially said as it appears some of them are a bit clueless anyway
MintTrav:
--- Quote from: pokernuts07 on December 04, 2009, 14:50:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 04, 2009, 14:16:42 PM ---
Got all that then? According to our panel you should have shoved, folded or limped preflop & on the flop either shove, check-fold or check-jam. Glad we have cleared that up for you. Anyone else want our expert advice?
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What is your preferred play John?
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It"s difficult - I guess its a fast structure if you"re short without being that far below average. Shoving pre is probably the simplest. Add the limps to your stack to get back on track, get called & get busted or suck out for a big increase.
Going 6-handed to the flop, you"re gonna have to hit it quite hard & one pair probably won"t be enough. Initially, I thought I hate it but probably I"ll shove it in & hold my breath - if we are called we are beaten but we should force draws & weak pairs out so they don"t overtake us (depending on stacksizes). Actually we could have done this with any cards, so our top pair is now irrelevant as our hand has become a bluff. As I said, if we are called, we are losing, though we could hit another 8 or T and a 4, 6, 9 or J on the turn also gives us a straight draw (clutching at draws now).
On the other hand, our hand is weak and any limper could have 2P. Some of the limpers will probably have caught draws at a minimum and I am wary that the 5,7 combination has done favours for someone. I can see the merits of check-folding an EP lead and check-jamming a button lead, though what if his bet is more than half our stack? What if I check & so does everyone else? Am I winning? Shove on the turn? Maybe I was winning on the flop but now I"ve been overtaken on the turn? I"m now regretting getting into this situation and just want to get out of this hand alive. But, hold on, maybe I can still pick up all the chips in the middle. But now I"m even more likely to get busted. Horrible situation.
Against fewer players, I might play the flop aggressively but against 5, I think I"m assuming that I need to improve, so I"m probably check-folding with this stack. With a proper stack I"m calling (or leading) but here we can"t afford to call and then fold on the turn. If I get to the turn for free and then improve, I"ll go for it.
Conclusion
- Limping into this scenario is more dangerous than shoving pre. Shove or fold pre. Shove.
- Shove flop against fewer but check-fold against 5.
- Don"t play fast tournaments where the structure inhibits your game.
WYoung83:
The faster the tourny the more agressive you need to be. In this case dont even look at you cards pre flop. Just ship it.
The only player you need to get through is the open limper. Given the situation this is what i would do.
This move works if the first limper has isnt trapping, and if the BB doesnt wake up with AA through to 88 or a very good ace.
If anyone behind the first limper calls you now, then why didnt they raise the open limper in the first place????
And if you go broke safe in the knowledge that you made a stand to try and get chips, just move onto next tourney.
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