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Mikeyboy9361:
Limping OOP even with the odds, with junk, is only likely to get you in deep do do. But having done so, I would be shoving.

noble1:
3300 in pot 3 limpers and big blind behind , you dont give buy in or reads on limpers so i"ll assume they are spewy [worst case scenario] It has been mentioned that if you shove it will represent a 50% pick up for your stack, even if u think that you"ll get called nearly 100% by a loose range for 1 or more of the limpers - 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q6s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K8o+,QTo+,JTo,T9o      
its not ATC but u can shove the top 61% of your range profitably and T8o is in there , basically in this spot u can shove -
22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T4s+,95s+,85s+,74s+,64s+,53s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q5o+,J7o+,T8o+,97o+,87o,76o   

alternative fold wait for btt and start pushing if folded to, your range on the button if both blinds are average callers [calling range - 55+,A2s+,KJs+,QJs,A8o+,KQo] then u could/can shove ATC for it to be correct +cEV , assuming villains call range is 15% [avg] then from the cut off 1st in your shove range drops dramatically to your top 22% - 22+,A3s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,87s,A8o+,KJo+,QJo,JTo  and so on with more to act behind even with an M of 6 or less your shove range is not as wide as you think it would be to be +cEV,good american/euro mtt"ers especially know there ranges very well nowadays [dont fall behind,learn and adjust]
study up on your shove/call ranges from what position [how many players on your left to act] your stack/blinds/antes and try to build up a short stack push strategy according to how tight or loose the players behind are..Study any decent sng players thoughts on push/call ranges for when yourself or villains stacks are 20bb or less as imo the americans are miles ahead of european players in general in this area for sngs/mtts , europeans tend to call to light ;D
that last comment is from US based players not mine :)

noble1:

--- Quote ---Firstly, I don"t like the limp/make up from the SB. You are setting yourself up to play with raggy cards out of position in a multi-way pot.... catch anything on the flop and you"re stuck..... and it seems that this is exactly what happened.

With 10xBB, and nobody showing any aggression preflop, I would prefer to shove here..... and if you don"t feel the right vibes for the shove, then fold. Don"t be fooled by the fact that you"re getting 11/1 to make up the blind.

As played (and without any other info on players) check/fold - you"ve no way of knowing if your top pair without a kicker is good. If someone bets and you have sufficient reads to put them on a steal with AK type hand, then shove to try and get to a HeadsUp showdown - you don"t want to end up in a multiway showdown here with such a marginal holding.

Shove or fold preflop though.
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follow good advice imho

samuel_9:

--- Quote from: Marty719 on December 04, 2009, 14:18:09 PM ---

--- Quote from: MintTrav on December 04, 2009, 14:16:42 PM ---
Got all that then? According to our panel you should have shoved, folded or limped preflop & on the flop either shove, check-fold or check-jam. Glad we have cleared that up for you. Anyone else want our expert advice?

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lol - true - imo shove or fold pre

as played shove flop

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just for once  i have to AGREE  with this .  but you should have waited for 6 3 of.

George2Loose:
Shoving is fine.

Completing is fine as long as you don"t stack off with just top pair. Deffo never shove flop

I think I prefer folding pre.

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