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noble1:
ok i thought about writing my views on resteals,the situations,how fold equity imo increases in certain points against whatever player type/style etc etc but that would be another long post..
So instead lets apply some reasoning to your situation with AJo after u called oop in the sb [which btw is weaker than folding]..
You hit top pair versus the big stack who is getting over active, a 1 suit flop [ooo scary :)] Having seen him take a made str8 from the flop to the river is it logical to assume he has flopped the nuts here and suddenly goes bezerk to a check?

--- Quote ---The only other time I saw him shove all in was over top of someone;s river bet. He had a flopped straight the other guy had 2 pair.
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Why the shove? any sort of hand even 2 pair or a set i"d expect here reacting to a check to bet rather than shove, ok at low buy ins u get the odd herbert who will do this but the way u describe him plus the str8 hand makes me think AX or KQ KJ with the king of diamonds etc type of range that fits in with the raise frequency , even the odd total bluff cannot be discounted or he has turned QQ KK with a diamond into spew etc etc Say if he had AK or AQ with a diamond kicker the shove still makes no sense..So all we are worried about is him playing AK AQ no diamond like this?? To me doubtful , he has no worries about getting busted by u so i"d favour a normal type cbet by him.. SO at worst your in a flip with AxTd etc or a 6/4 fav over the rest of his range i"d put him on here... So call and double up........The check induced a spew move...........

Swinebag:

--- Quote from: shozboy1 on January 03, 2010, 09:42:45 AM ---
I personally have to say I still favour a flat call preflop due to my deepish stack.
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when 5 handed, 30BBs is not really that deep a stack

noble1:
Ok i"ll write this out on the laptop whilst i hope [pray] Leeds hang on to there 1 goal lead lol  ;D
What Rob is pointing out to u shoz is that your strategy should change according to your stack size, popular thoughts on a stack of >30bb is that u can 3bet rr but is wrong to fold if then u are 4betted. A 13bb to 22bb stack is a ideal 3bet shove/steal stack to a raise...All this strategy stuff on stack sizes is something you should be trying to incorporate into your overall mtt game [it"ll be beneficial to u as u move up in buy ins]
Essentially u adjust how u play according to the size of the blinds relating to your chip stack and not just yours but to your opponents stack sizes and if they are or not stack size aware themselves..[do they comprehend anything ;D gauge there ability]
If u get to the point where u start to think out the box a bit more and u have 20bb and a loose player to your right raised then most would say the optimal strategy was to 3 bet all in - WRONG - u can still 3bet rr and leave 12bb behind and still fold if u wish to a 4bet or give up if called and the flop hits your opponents range and u whiff.Everything in poker is IT DEPENDS and there are no hard set rules , but with a 12bb stack all that happens now is that your strategy changes.
Like with your 30bb stack u can utilise fold equity and still fold if u wish to, it just means your strategy changes..
Calling oop at this stack size with antes in play to simply check fold when u hit the flop is not the best strategy imho and i"m sure with a few tweaks in your strategy u could put those chips to better use...

shozboy1:
Thanks for the views. I do understand stack size/effective stack sizes. The only reason I flat call here is because of his deep stack. Against a raise from a short stack with 10-13BBs, I am very happy to simply reraise all in here (given the effective stack of 10-13BBs) providing he"s not an extreme nit.
Ultimately a (in my opinion) much more favourable opportunity for a double up presented itself afew hands later when again the villain raised, all folded and I reraised all in with AK and got insta called with K10 - obviously the result is irrelevant, but I atleast got my money in ahead which has got to be the ultimate goal

kinboshi:
Personally, I hate the call with AJ.

What flop are you wanting to see?  Surely Axx?  If you do, with your stack size you"re hoping to put the lot in?  If not and you think you"re behind a bigger ace then what are you calling for?

As played, you can"t be worried that he"s flopped the flush.  Possibly a K-high flush draw, but even then you"re favourite. 

I don"t understand the call if you"re going to fold to a very favourable flop.  Why were you calling?

If he"s played that many hands, I re-raise him pre-flop and try to get it all in the middle as I"m a mile ahead of his range.  But maybe that"s why I play cash rather than tournaments?

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