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shozboy1:
Hi, views would be welcome on this...
20/20 at DTD. 247 entrants. 130ish left. Only top 27 get paid. Average stack is roughly 35-40 BBs at the current blind level of 300/600/a50.

I have 5700 left. Been completely card dead for 2-3 hours. A reasonably active table. I have recently pushed in with a pair of 10s from UTG+1 and all folded. About 4 hands later, for the 1st time in a couple of hours it folds round to me on the button. I have 5700, nearly 1.3k in the middle. I shove any two. The sb folds (a recent table addition). The BB, has sat with me the entire tourney. Has seen me play very tight. He also whittled down to 5BBs, but about 10mins earlier got up to 20ish BBs, with AA, with 2 players running into him with KK and JJ. He also has been quite tight. He tanks for 3-4 mins. Obv I know he doesn"t have a pair and a decent Ace here after his tank.

My queries are:
Is a shove here with any two (in this case 74o) reasonable?
Is his call with Q8o a bad call (I"d say so given his stack size and cards)? Given he has 20BBs behind now?
Should I have shown my previous 10-10 shove to the table to preserve my tight image? I think his decision was so marginal, that if I had shown (normally I never show) he would"ve folded this hand.

Mikeyboy9361:
I Think his move is fair enough, he has only 5BBs, he knows you need to shove and could be pushing with any two ( which you were). He already has 600 invested and approx 2500 or 3000 behind. From your point of view the small stack in the BB should have been a factor in your decision to push, as with anything half decent he is going to call you ( which he did).
Showing your tens may have helped your image, but in this case it wouldn"t have made any difference.

deanp27:
marginal - normally i would but it would depend on the table dynamic. BB will be desperate being so short so it will depend on whether i can get it by him
marginal - he has little fold equity left and you have a reasonably wide range.
don"t bother showing cards imo

shozboy1:
Sorry, I didnt explain my 1st post properly. He did have 5BBs, but recently had just got back to 20BBs. Hence, when I pushed he had 20ish BBs behind and not 5BBs.

noble1:
it all depends on what u think villains will call u with.. This is where a bit of study with pokerstove and knowing a bit of maths comes in and u can work out your push ranges for the future.
Ok if u knew the 2 villains behind were tight with there call ranges in this situation [all on how deep villains are,what pot odds they are getting and your image/how they perceive your ability] say they call with the top 10% hands - 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo by just knowing this u can work out how often they will fold..
So they fold 90% , with 2 behind all u do is multiply 90% by 90% to get approx times they fold..
so 0.9 x 0.9 = 0.81 which is 81%  the pot is 1350 and they fold 4 out of 5.... 4 x 1350 = 5400 so not to hard push 74o here because the 1 time out 5 u get called by this range u win 1 in 4 ... all this = +cEV

If they call loose with 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q6s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K8o+,QTo+,JTo,T9o - 36% of hands then your push range to be profitable would be 22+,A2s+,K9s+,QTs+,A3o+,KTo+  why?  because 64% of the time they fold so 0.64 x 0.64 = 40% so u know u have to push a range that is above 50% to be definite +ev..

It is just a case of putting in the study and getting to know your ranges [how they play against one another] and the basic maths behind it.. All failing that go on say 2+2 in the probability forum and ask the egg heads there :) although u may get some heavy maths thrown back they may direct u to a excel pushbot sheet that would help with the calculations on shove ranges...          

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