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50 nl hand JJ in SB

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TheSnapper:

--- Quote from: George2Loose on February 21, 2010, 15:02:30 PM ---

This is why you probably be playing 6 max. The game is so much about feel and there"s so many specialists playing 6 max that it is so much tougher than full ring.

Playing jacks for set value isn"t profitable long term imo and the situation you find yourself in now is why. You talk about 3 betting with no plan, well it seems like you"ve flatted without a plan.


Whether you fold to a 4 bet is entirely down to your read and player rendencies- given your stats on the villian I would perhaps be folding to a 4 bet but happy to get it in on this board if he flats your 3 bet. Calling has just created more problems than 3 betting

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I"ll run through my thought process in the hand, feel free to pick out the flaws ...

3 bet ? His co raising range is wide and mostly he"ll fold to a 3bet and thats ok but we could do better, if he 4 bets I will have to fold oop, given his fold to 3 bet stats suggest a strong continuing range, but thats also ok and could actually save us $$, and, if he flat calls, his range has good equity and I"m oop in a bloated pot versus an aggressive opponent which is a tough spot.

Flat call pf ? Much like the "3 bet he call"s" scenario but, the pot is smaller, and we still can get full stacks in by the river if we feel that"s appropriate. Our hand is under repped so we get more value from his weaker holdings, which is likely and exploits his aggro tendancies. This was my preferred option and my plan for the hand, and doesn"t include set mining JJ ( ie; set or fold ) though the value of setting up is a considerable part of the value of pp"s.

Now, the hand is! posted to question the line taken in this instance, but there"s no benefit in accepting 3 betting pf as superior, without understanding why that is the case. Oh! and I really could"nt agree more, 6 max cash, even 50 nl, is plenty tough.

WYoung83:
option 2 is what i would usually take, but beign oop against a agressive plyr is very hard, and the reason why i like to play small pot poker in this situation.

noble1:

--- Quote ---His co raising range is wide here, but his 3bet calling range is tightish and likely dominates hence no 3 bet. Thoughts?
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What we need to know is the positions he folds to 3bets , his overall 3bet fold % is pretty near to how i"d place a std reg,in my experience a regs overall fold % to a 3bet is around 65%. So if i assume him to be a reg and the fact he has position then flatting oop with a hand as strong as Jacks is a no no.
3betting from the blinds with Jacks will be better long term as villains tend to call 3bets a lot wider when they have position, also i tend to find they will 4bet wider from the cut off as they tend to perceive a players 3betting range from the blinds as wide.
So 3bet away imo and look to get your money in if he 4bets...

As played
with that huge cbet % check call is ok but i prefer to play fast and check raise as he may wanna get jiggy with top pair or a flush draw and surely u want to start building a pot?
Because u did not 3bet your hand it becomes very hard to play profitably without the initiative when out of position...

UKChamp:
ditto last comment

3bet is std here and given his profile and position a 4bet doesnt scream of a range were in bad shape against, at the very least ill nearly always shove here (vs 4b) and take the fold equity most of the time.

flatting oop when you dont have his hand range defined at the same time as underrepreseting your own, potentially seing a flop with overcards a regular feature is a big leak imo

the only hands im prob flatting here are small pairs to set mine and either call down for value or pressure the river with when he doesnt second barrel.

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