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shozboy1:
Opinions on this attempted bluff would be helpful. The guy had only sat down 3 hands ago and I had no history against him. I"m sure some people will say that if I had no idea of his stlye, I should"ve stayed clear of him. Second, I"m wondering whether I should"ve fired the turn instead of the river to show more strength then I did. (obv I"m pretty sure I should never have got myself in this spot, but no I"m there, views would be useful)
Also, should the villain have laid his hand down?


PokerStars Game #40449252833:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/02/28 13:39:41 WET [2010/02/28 8:39:41 ET]
Table "Mensa IV" 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: jtodb222 ($50.95 in chips)
Seat 2: haukso ($141.40 in chips)
Seat 3: shozboy ($51 in chips)
Seat 4: melina.rk ($42.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Lapphalter ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Horin ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Troelg ($63.40 in chips)
Seat 8: rokksztar ($30.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Sandhop ($143.25 in chips)
melina.rk: posts small blind $0.25
Lapphalter: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shozboy [Jh 7c]
Horin: folds
Troelg: folds
rokksztar: folds
Sandhop: folds
jtodb222: folds
haukso: folds
shozboy: raises $1 to $1.50
melina.rk: raises $3 to $4.50
Lapphalter: folds
shozboy: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [9h 2s 4d]
melina.rk: bets $5.50
shozboy: raises $6.50 to $12
melina.rk: calls $6.50
*** TURN *** [9h 2s 4d] [4c]
melina.rk: checks
shozboy: checks
*** RIVER *** [9h 2s 4d 4c] [6c]
melina.rk: checks
shozboy: bets $16.50
melina.rk: calls $16.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shozboy: shows [Jh 7c] (a pair of Fours)
melina.rk: shows [8s 8d] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
melina.rk collected $63.50 from pot

WYoung83:
 if i were him i would of called your river bet in a heart beat. if you had him beat with over pair you are never checking the turn imo and if you had somthing like 9-10s for example you would usually check behind on the river with the lack of action that happens on the turn. One important thing to remember is there are no draws on the flop so the river was never a scare card for him. The only hand he has to worry about here is the nuts, like a boat of 9s full or quad 44s imo.

Cant explain why but it just looks weak (or suspicious is a better way to describe) i find that when oppo checks on turn after he has repoped on flop just looks like a weird line. defently a bad spot to bluff imo, and he actually played the hand well after the flop. You were owned in this hand because he checks the river to induce a bluff from you. Mark him down as a decant plyr and remember he 3 bets pre with 88.

playrs who 3 bet pre with 88s oop are somtimes explotiable.

AMRN:
Shoz - to be honest, hate the way you played this hand from start to finish. The original raise is fine, but don"t like the call of the 3-bet, although with position, I guess it"s reasonable.   You need to look again at the sizing of the raise on the flop though - what were you hoping to achieve here? He probably has some sort of a hand, and it would be impossible to fold to the small raise you"ve made.

The check on the turn signifies weakness, and would look to him like you are trying to control the pot size now and just get to showdown..... so then your river bet just doesn"t fit with the story.

You will only ever get this river bluff through if your hand adds up to a believable story from start to finish, but I don"t think yours does.

Out of interest, what soft of hand did you put the other guy on? What were you trying to make him fold?

WYoung83:
 To put it in more simple form......You have basically fired a "dark tunnel bluff" there was nothing for you to rep by betting the river, and as i said before your line just does not match up with over pair or top pair.

From his point of view you either had full boat/ quads or squadousce....and he had a had to pick you off.

Marty719:

--- Quote from: AMRN on February 28, 2010, 16:39:13 PM ---
Shoz - to be honest, hate the way you played this hand from start to finish. The original raise is fine, but don"t like the call of the 3-bet, although with position, I guess it"s reasonable.   You need to look again at the sizing of the raise on the flop though - what were you hoping to achieve here? He probably has some sort of a hand, and it would be impossible to fold to the small raise you"ve made.

The check on the turn signifies weakness, and would look to him like you are trying to control the pot size now and just get to showdown..... so then your river bet just doesn"t fit with the story.

You will only ever get this river bluff through if your hand adds up to a believable story from start to finish, but I don"t think yours does.

Out of interest, what soft of hand did you put the other guy on? What were you trying to make him fold?

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This, and also.....wat r u representing in this hand??  Bluffs have to make sense...this one does not.

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