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S4 Online National League 1 - Matchday 2
BurnleyMik:
--- Quote from: EnglandBart on March 14, 2010, 23:35:55 PM ---
@Leigh,
Sorry, don"t get me wrong. I don"t actually think you (as in APAT) can do much more, you"ve done & continue to do a superb job here, I"ve always said that and stand by that to this day.
My gripe is the standard of play of fellow APAT members, including some of the well known, "supposedly skilled" characters, combined with lack of fun-factor/community spirit. Also the fact that the end game structure where everyone on the final table is deep into push/fold, but we appreciate your efforts already made to address this.
I joined APAT a couple of years ago to learn from players better than myself, but sadly with the exception of a handful of extremely consistent and skilled players, there is little evidence. These league games in particular are just a glorified lottery/bingo with the spoils always going to whoever donks the most or catches the most suckouts. I might as well stick the buyin on a horse, watching even a 3-legged one go around would invoke more pleasure tbh.
Playing is the equivalent of walking down to the newsagent and waiting in there 2 to 3 hours before buying your lottery ticket? pointless.
The online games used to be hugely enjoyable with great table banter. Ok, so I never used to cash, but cashing isn"t everything, I still enjoyed the event. Don"t know what it is that"s changed, maybe the "amateurs" are just getting too serious lured by the added value and professional sponserships and want to win at whatever cost? but it just seems less friendly/fun than it used to be.
Take last weeks league game for example. I got table moved and got dealt QQ 2nd hand in to the new table. After standard raising, the bb (well known "previous winner" character, just shoved allin for something like 40bb with Ace rag), not content with that, he had the audacity to accuse me of slowrolling when i eventually called (after just 5 or 6 seconds) and showed the queens.
I mean wtf? I was new to the table, with no reads at all, had a good but very beatable hand and was calling a massive overbet all in for my tournament life with absolutely nothing to gain from "slowrolling" as he had already stupidly fully committed himself.
To receive such unfounded gibes from a supposedly experienced community member is just not on. It will bring down the great spirit that I thought the APAT stood for.
Re: Software, I"ve already supplied Betfair with a list of observations/suggestions for future update consideration.
Rant over, hopefully some of it might be constructive (or at least amusing), if not sorry but thanks for reading. I certainly feel better now having made it ;) ;D
Best regards,
Bart
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So you don;t want the "skilled" players to play badly against you? I would love it if I raised QQ and someone blasted with Ace rag ;D. If the general skill level is lower, so what? If you want the highest standard of play then go play in the high buy in tournaments, this game IMO is about community spirit and people moaning and griping every two mins seems to be getting more and more common. Some of you guys seem to want blood out of a stone.
It"s a credit to APAT if they are drawing new, less skilled and less experienced players into the game, afterall is that not what we as poker players want? Do you expect these guys to come in and play like Phil Ivey? We should be helping to make it a fun game for those guys and not whinging when they don;t play a hand like you want/expect them too.
It"s impossible to please everyone, if you wanted a longer structure most people would not be able to play because of work the following morning, they have it just about perfect IMO.
Come on guys see it for what it is... fun within the community and obviously a little competetiveness between sides. ;D
Chipaccrual:
We will have another look at the structure. All three games tonight finished between 11:45-12:15. I"m not sure how much later we want these tourneys to run on a Sunday night.
The only thing we can do is look at giving a bit more play earlier in the tournament, but I would hate for a final table to become a total push/fold situation.
FWIW, there was some poker being played on the final tables tonight.
bear21:
Just my 2pence worth regarding the online game !
Joined APAT last year and have loved every minute of it ( sooo far ) LOL, prefer the live tourneys as I never seem to do well online !
Are APAT doing a great job - YES
Is betfair software great - NO ( but I"ve played on worse )
So far betfair customer service has been excellent ( A LOT BETTER THAN MOST )
The package on offer to us players by betfair this year is great ( Don"t Keep Moaning )
Yes you get bad beats - LIVE with it ( I"ve had Too LOL :D :D )
Apat is about everyone having a great time , a bit of banter and a laugh, don"t take it to seriously and enjoy the games, yes you will want to pull your hair out sometimes ( Don"t have that problem ) >:( >:( :"(
That"s what I think APAT is all about !, somepeople may disagree ahhh well :-[
Chipaccrual:
Updated results and league tables are HERE
MintTrav:
--- Quote from: allinbob2 on March 14, 2010, 21:35:42 PM ---
the standard of play in the first 2 games has been pretty poor IMO. I am also giving up on the online league
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I look forward to the standard improving................
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