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JJ utg facing 3 bet
coprey:
--- Quote from: MintTrav on March 16, 2010, 03:35:26 AM ---
I reckon he is very strong, probably something like KK. You should have folded to the RR pre, so now we are set-mining on the flop.
No set and a K on flop. We are 100% behind here, if we weren"t before. I have him on KKK. Fold. Fold. Oh, you"ve gone all-in. Oh well, you"ll probably suck out anyway.
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:D :D :D
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: AMRN on March 16, 2010, 14:16:55 PM ---
It"s the latter stages of a satellite MTT - and I guess that does have relevance, and actually makes the fold an even more viable option
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blinds are 75/150 Steve so early to mid stage.
Marty719:
--- Quote from: shozboy1 on March 16, 2010, 14:13:18 PM ---
Is this a SNG or a tourney? Sorry to be thick. Couldn"t decipher this. Anyhow, given you"ve been active of late, I would err on side of shove all in preflop. Folding is 2nd best but not terrible, and calling is horrible.
I"m sure Noble can do the calcs better than me, but he can have only afew hands that have you crushed (QQ-AA) and many hands that you crush/flip with. I"m sure the maths would add up to a shove all in pfr.
Plus, he has 15bbs, there"s no room to call and "play poker" here.
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I dnt think there are "many hands" that we crush or flip with wen he 3-bets an utg raiser from utg+1. Prob just QQ+, AK (not even sure he 3-bets all his AK hands in this spot but def a fair %).
AMRN:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on March 16, 2010, 14:38:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: shozboy1 on March 16, 2010, 14:13:18 PM ---
Is this a SNG or a tourney? Sorry to be thick. Couldn"t decipher this. Anyhow, given you"ve been active of late, I would err on side of shove all in preflop. Folding is 2nd best but not terrible, and calling is horrible.
I"m sure Noble can do the calcs better than me, but he can have only afew hands that have you crushed (QQ-AA) and many hands that you crush/flip with. I"m sure the maths would add up to a shove all in pfr.
Plus, he has 15bbs, there"s no room to call and "play poker" here.
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I dnt think there are "many hands" that we crush or flip with wen he 3-bets an utg raiser from utg+1. Prob just QQ+, AK (not even sure he 3-bets all his AK hands in this spot but def a fair %).
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Exactly. He"s rarely going to 3-bet with TT or less for half his stack with so many still to act behind - any raising action with a hand weaker than JJ (including AK) is usually likely to be a shove..... the 3-bet to half his stack kinda polarises his range to QQ+ (probably even tighter to specifically KK/AA)
TheSnapper:
It is pretty spewy on my part to be honest. The deciding factors for my play were, Because I had been busy and I had folded to a 3 bet earlier, his range ought to be wider, Its a pretty fast structure and I still had a playable stack if I lose the hand. I reckoned the extra chips had effectively more worth than the potential loss.
Anyhow the hand played out.....
No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO (t3139)
Button (t2595)
SB (t7290)
BB (t4377.50)
Hero (UTG) (t4531.25)
UTG+1 (t2270)
MP1 (t1205)
MP2 (t4687.75)
Hero"s M: 20.14
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets t393.75, UTG+1 raises t1100, 6 folds, Hero calls t706.25
Flop: (t2425) 3, K, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t3431.25 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t1170 (All-In)
Turn: (t4765) J (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: (t4765) J (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: t4765
Results:
Donkey had J, J (four of a kind, Jacks).
Aceonfifth ( poor B"stard) had K, K (full house, Kings over Jacks).
Outcome: Donkey won t4765
Now I know what the other end of a savage beat feels like.:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Disclaimer; No animals were hurt during or in the immediate aftermath of the playing of this hand.
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