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How would you have played this?
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: noble1 on June 02, 2010, 02:08:06 AM ---
the correct play is all about identifying and understanding each opponent you play with. Mikey mentions that villain has a tendency to overbet pots , Mikey reads him to raise his better hands pre , meh imho playing tight weak post-flop against this style of player isn"t the best way to deal with/adjust to villain...
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Getting ai on the flop with top pair and a flush draw at a 50nl table, is not overplaying your hand.
Mikeyboy9361:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on June 02, 2010, 04:13:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on June 02, 2010, 02:08:06 AM ---
the correct play is all about identifying and understanding each opponent you play with. Mikey mentions that villain has a tendency to overbet pots , Mikey reads him to raise his better hands pre , meh imho playing tight weak post-flop against this style of player isn"t the best way to deal with/adjust to villain...
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Getting ai on the flop with top pair and a flush draw at a 50nl table, is not overplaying your hand.
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I agree Brendan, I don"t think it was over playing his hand, but it does go some way to assessing his playing style. Noble"s assessment of my reads are pretty spot on, and I agree that maybe a push on the turn would have been a better move.
noble1:
100bb"s with ace high..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_fheH7ZTQU&feature=player_embedded
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: noble1 on June 02, 2010, 17:01:18 PM ---
100bb"s with ace high..
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I really don"t feel the spots are comparable at all.
* A top high stakes player dropped down to $100nl to make a vid
* Versus a competent $100 nl reg and likely a level 2 thinking player
* imho there is a vast difference in standard at $100nl compared to $50nl
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I agree Brendan, I don"t think it was over playing his hand, but it does go some way to assessing his playing style. Noble"s assessment of my reads are pretty spot on, and I agree that maybe a push on the turn would have been a better move.
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Ok, where to start, the overriding reason for the felting here 100% is based on the read of villain as a player who is likely to overvalue KJ,QJ,TJ, etc. and maybe even TT, they do exist and as noble1 rightly points out. Calling them down light is profitable, but high on variance!. That said, to commit to playing for 130 bb"s in an unraised pot (thats another issue) I"d need that read to be really really strong. If thats the case and you"re happy to embrace the variance and confident it won"t tilt you in the process. Getting the lot in the middle is fine.
There is a contradiction though, if we raise ai the flop or turn as suggested, what is our objective, value, protection, or bluff. There are a couple of possible results raising achieves....
* He calls with worse, score for value
* He calls and we"re beat, we valuetown ourselves
* He folds hands he may have continued to Barrell, value O.G, but we do protect against the unlikely outdraw.
* He folds hands that beat us, no chance
To summarise, the example previous hand given in op. does"nt back up the overvalues read on the villain very well and means little in isolation, and so, cast doubt as to the villains tendancies. You should have strong strong reads to adjust your stacking off standard this wide and if you did and there"s a happy ending, kudos to you Sir Mikey for the none to thinly veiled brag thread. ;D
Raise preflop, AJs is not a strong trapping hand 6 handed, don"t discourage fish with weak/air hands from building a pot, raising them is like a reminder not to spew.
noble1:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on June 02, 2010, 20:23:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: noble1 on June 02, 2010, 17:01:18 PM ---
100bb"s with ace high..
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I really don"t feel the spots are comparable at all.
* A top high stakes player dropped down to $100nl to make a vid
* Versus a competent $100 nl reg and likely a level 2 thinking player
* imho there is a vast difference in standard at $100nl compared to $50nl
raising them is like a reminder not to spew.
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i didnt post this to suggest the situations were comparable , i hoped that it would point out that being able to hand read at any level is a big advantage..[as per video a 2+2er std tag over calls in sb and then check raises rainbow flop - 663 trying to rep what ?]
You point out that going all in on the flop is not good , i"m not to sure why u get the impression that any1 in the thread advocates pushing the flop? The turn yes , but based on if mikey thinks villain will call with worse...
You mention snapper in your bullet points
--- Quote ---but we do protect against the unlikely outdraw.
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if there is a turn all in raise .. In mikeys situation villain overbets the turn so there is no need to protect he has bet it for us , mikey would have the option to protect if villain checked to him ..
Mikey the turn all in is high variance as snapper points out if your reads on villain hand ranges are way off the mark , in this situation the board texture [along with your reads of villain betting habits] gives him such a larger range of hands and bluffs that u are beating [plus a pot size of $28.50 on the turn] that if u go all in [approx $60] villain has to have hands that beat u approx 33%+ of the time in his range for the all in to be unprofitable , because very rarely does a 25c/50c player properly balance then especially against this villain would i think that his 2 barreling oop range can be/is easily 70%+ total bol##cks that u are beating .. I hope u see the merits of calling the turn as well as thinking that the shove was optimal...
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