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Folding Kings pre flop
Swinebag:
--- Quote from: texfitz on November 05, 2007, 11:57:23 AM ---
--- Quote ---Not much info on your opponent but why would he move all in with A A ?
Doesnt he want to try to get more out of his rockets?
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how much more can he get without being all-in ?
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by betting an ammount that his/her opponent wont fold to?
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Philippos13 on November 05, 2007, 11:43:04 AM ---
Dan Harington said that you should never fold kings preflop......If the other guy has one ace his got a 30% shot in winning...if he has A A , then you ve got an 18 % of winning...
So if you are right 1 out of 3 times you will lose...if you are wrong, 1/5 you win...
and you are getting 1 to 1 to your money... But so many other hands you will be dominating Q, Q J , J... First hand your opponent might thing you are never calling an all in... Not much info on your opponent but why would he move all in with A A ?
Doesnt he want to try to get more out of his rockets?
It is really a hard one since i would not be happy seeing one ace on his hand not two of them ...30 % in busting out first hand yet you are miles ahead
The truth is 99% of the times the money has to go in...you see the line between making a great fold and a really stupid one is a really thin one. But if this is trully a skill game , the best players should be able to fold K K preflop and that should be if they trully believe the other player has A A , not due to bubbling out considerations or making a higher pay day by folding their way to a better position on the final table.
Verdict: Call your mum and start crying! ???
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Disagree with this completely.
You win this hand and double up, you"ve won some chips. Might help you get going in the tournament, but doesn"t mean you"re going to win a bean.
Lose, and it costs you £75 (plus any travelling costs, hotels, and of course, your time).
Harrington wasn"t referring to someone pushing all-in for 10,000 chips during the first level when he was talking about not folding kings.
Would you fold queens here? Why? Worried about AA or KK? Surely the same thing goes for kings?
Unless you think you"re a much worse player than everyone else, it"s an easy fold. In a shorter stack tournament,with a quick structure, it"s an easy call.
Mikeyboy9361:
I missed the first level all together, and came in near the end of the second. With a very frazzled brain!!
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 05, 2007, 12:05:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: texfitz on November 05, 2007, 11:57:23 AM ---
--- Quote ---Not much info on your opponent but why would he move all in with A A ?
Doesnt he want to try to get more out of his rockets?
--- End quote ---
how much more can he get without being all-in ?
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by betting an ammount that his/her opponent wont fold to?
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It seems it is an amount that some won"t fold to though.
Philippos13:
Well i did not take an actual position if you should call or fold...but the cost of the tourny (£75 traveling etc or any amount really ) should never influence your decision ...the decision as i explained should be 100% poker related ...saying i ll fold cost ive been driving for 3 hours is totally the wrong approach
Queens is a totally different situtation...you can never compare KK and QQ and you do know that....Queens will go in the muck in a second...at best you are looking at 50-50%
I do believe that it is essential to accumulate chips early on that will allow you to actual having a shot in winning...If it wrong to call with Kings on the first hand then when is it right to call? 10th hand? 30th? after 3 hours? (apat structure) What i do know, in walsall after 5 hours of play there were 170/200 still in with an average stack of 12 000! The structure suggests that you still have a lot of play after 5 hours and average chip stack...why would you call an all in then?
In poker you have to take calculated risks and sadly most of the times the best you can get is roughly 70%-30% in favour preflop in an all in situation (apart from pair over pair)
Dont get me wrong...id much rather play a flop with KK througout the tourny not just in the first hand...but if someone moves all in you have to call ...If it is on the first hand and you dont want to risk it then dont...live to fight another day....
Once again first hand...no right or wrong decision ...you cannot blame someone for calling ....you cannot blame someone for folding
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