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Folding Kings pre flop
Philippos13:
So basically what we disagree in is the opponents starting hand and what we are willing to gamble with...
I might be more willing to gamble, that he does not have AA than you , but you would be more willing to gamble if you knew you were up ahead 70% to 30%
To be realistic for someone to move all in first hand it is eaither AA KK QQ or AK
out of these hands id just call to QQ or KK (higly unlikely though he has this)
You would call against QQ AK AND KK....
So after all you are more willing to call than me...hehehehe ::)
Im really not much of a gambler and prefer to play small pot poker so i would not take my 70% - 30% against any A on the first hand...
It is really a style thing cause some players would be willing to gamble early on situations such as this or draws and push a lot so either bust early or build a huge stack to bully the table...
Yet i think it requires a lot more skill to fold KK later on in a tourny if you really trust your reads and think you are up against AA .... (dont know if you seen the hand AA VS KK VS QQ if you havent youtube it ...it is really sick)
Pre flop play made KK realize he was beat and folded the kings while QQ called...It was a genius fold that only a few players can really pull off
kinboshi:
I folded QQ v AA in the Scottish APAT last season on a JT3 flop. Would have folded KK too. Trusted my read then.
That was the last hand before the dinner break. It wasn"t an all-in bet though.
--- Quote ---So after all you are more willing to call than me...hehehehe
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If the cards were face up, maybe. But in the actual situation, I"m calling 0% of the time.
Philippos13:
It is all about playing a lot and being experienced...when you are experienced enough you can really sense the danger...you just get that feeling you know....i cant really explain it and i dont think someone who does not really play the game would understan.
But to last in a deepstack multitable tourny it is true that most probably you will have to make such taught laydowns...
Mikeyboy9361:
Folding any big hand either pre or post flop is a big decision, and laying down any hand against a strong bet is always going to tax the old grey matter.After staring down you opponent and gathering all the information you can,you then process it all, and rely heavily on gut instinct and hope you make the right decision!
On Saturday I laid down Aces after the flop and was proved correct when was shown trip Qs, I then laid down top pair against Kinboshi, I said he had nothing but he priced me out so I laid "em down, he actually had trip 2s! Complete mis read but the correct lay down!
Oh how the poker gods do use us for their sport.
Jon MW:
I"d be in the school of thought that in a deep stack tournament it"s an easy fold, but in the situation described for the Regional it"s an easy call because of the proportion of my stack I"ve already committed versus the chances of winning the hand.
This weekend I consoled myself with a $10 deepstack tournament on Pokerstars, and managed to induce an all in call when I held Kings, from a player with a pair of jacks.
I probably don"t need to go into detail how that ended - so what do I know?
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