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Folding Kings pre flop
APAT:
I"m putting all my chips, car keys, drinks tab, diary, wife and "clickfest on" button into the middle on a pair of kings pre-flop.
Perhaps this is why I don"t get to play events any more! :D
asarge:
i would just have to call here.
no matter how early it is and how far you come. you gona have real bad luck to come up against AA in first level. so i would have to call. just feel a loose player would make the same allin bet on QQ which you would then be favorite.
more than likely to double up so early and start bullying.
never put kings down pre-flop!!
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: asarge on November 05, 2007, 23:57:36 PM ---
i would just have to call here.
no matter how early it is and how far you come. you gona have real bad luck to come up against AA in first level. so i would have to call. just feel a loose player would make the same allin bet on QQ which you would then be favorite.
more than likely to double up so early and start bullying.
never put kings down pre-flop!!
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Why is it unlucky? Although I think me and James are actually in a minority advocating the fold here, I am truly surprised that people would be pushing all-in preflop here with anything but AA. You simply don"t know if they"re loose, scared, a skilled player, an absolute novice. But in all of those cases, AA is still very likely. I guess I"m giving people too much credit.
Like I said, in a short-stack tournament - it"s in instacall. Deep-stack, don"t really see the point.
Watch out in the next APAT event if I push early doors pre-flop. Especially if you have KK. Please call.
H-Man81:
I"ll throw my 10c in and lodge myself firmly in the Kin/Thinker JE school of thought. In a deepstack tournament like the APAT nationals this is a 100% fold for me. I"m there to play some poker and risking your whole tournament on the first hand to me is nothing short of ridiculous. Even if I 100% knew the guy was pushing with AK, I"m not risking my entire tournament when I"ll lose the hand 30% of the time. I"m there to win and do as well as I can but like everyone else on this forum, I"m an amateur so I play for enjoyment as well. I get no enjoyment out of calling all my chips first hand, even if it will, in the majority of cases, double me up.
Buck Pete:
--- Quote from: H-Man81 on November 06, 2007, 11:48:57 AM ---
I"ll throw my 10c in and lodge myself firmly in the Kin/Thinker JE school of thought. In a deepstack tournament like the APAT nationals this is a 100% fold for me. I"m there to play some poker and risking your whole tournament on the first hand to me is nothing short of ridiculous.
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Try telling that to players like Lawrence Gosney who has won a WSOP bracelet.
They will take huge risks at the start of a tournement to establish a healthy stack to enable them to captain a table.
So what happens late in day 1 when your stack is so low and you pick up KK? You"d still push i am 99.9% certain.
If you run into AA the results are the same except you get home much later.
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