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Folding Kings pre flop

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HaworthBantam:

--- Quote from: Kinboshi on November 08, 2007, 22:29:50 PM ---

--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on November 08, 2007, 22:16:55 PM ---
I"d call with AA-1010 AKs+o, AQs and maybe worse because I"d be trying to avoid being short stacked and be prepared to risk going out to do that.

This is probably incorrect though and its maybe call with AA or KK only.

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You"ve selected pretty much the range I had chosen as well. 

When I asked this on the blondepoker forum, some said that I should be calling with a far wider range in order to double up.  Others said I should do my utmost to avoid calling and and look to raise or even shove when I get the opportunity to be first or second into a pot.


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I think I"d open my range up a little for this player as well, so long as it"s been folded round to this player before he pushes - any pair, any two picture cards. BUT, obviously, I would prefer to be the one pushing and putting the decision to someone else.

kinboshi:
I absolutely wanted to be pushing.  I just wasn"t getting the opportunity on a table full of mad Scandies - some with large stacks.

Hate calling all-in, but had to in the end.  

Bodddders:
Can you ever lay them down (KK)  Last 15 of tonights Online Tourney. I have about 67000 in chips (about average). Get KK UTG raise 3x BB to 12000, SB reraises to 36000. I call (if an ace comes on the flop then I can lay it down).

Flop 4-2-7, I think, SB goes all in and has me covered. Do you call?

You can probably guess what I did, but what would you do.

kinboshi:

--- Quote from: Bodddders on November 09, 2007, 00:27:25 AM ---
Can you ever lay them down (KK)  Last 15 of tonights Online Tourney. I have about 67000 in chips (about average). Get KK UTG raise 3x BB to 12000, SB reraises to 36000. I call (if an ace comes on the flop then I can lay it down).

Flop 4-2-7, I think, SB goes all in and has me covered. Do you call?

You can probably guess what I did, but what would you do.


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I shove pre-flop there, but I also see the merits of calling seeing a flop without an ace and then getting my chips in.

I"m not folding there.  His range is huge.  Of course it could include 44, 22, 77 and AA, but also TT, JJ, QQ, and even AK (although more unlikely and I would have thought they"d have wanted to get the chips in preflop or play more cautiously on a flop like that).

More I look at it, the more I want to get my chips in pre-flop.

Bodddders:
Pushing pre-flop was an option but I saw a chance to get a lot of chips by just calling his re-raise. Trying to disguise the strength of my hand. Once he went all-in on the raggy flop I thought aces!. Then I rationalised that if he indeed did have the pocket rockets why would he push, so I put him on JJ or QQ and called.
Of course he turned over AA and that was that. Nearly 4 and half hours of grind for a $10 profit. Don"t you just love poker.

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