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AK sooooooooted - on the bubble
WYoung83:
It wasnt the
"ok im probably behind, but im all in" uber groannnnnnnnnnnn and then ship it tell?? iv seen this lots when some idiot has aces.
kinboshi:
--- Quote from: WYoung83 on August 03, 2010, 20:51:48 PM ---
It wasnt the
"ok im probably behind, but im all in" uber groannnnnnnnnnnn and then ship it tell?? iv seen this lots when some idiot has aces.
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No, it was infinitely more subtle - and yet seemed to speak volumes.
noble1:
Dan u say in your post that your having success stealing and your feeling comfortable [so u should with 56bb"s :)]
Did u consider keeping the bubble alive as an alternative? The way u describe chip counts u are joint table chip leader yes? The best way to use your stack is not by doubling up the shorties or getting into pre/post flop all in battles with stacks which can decimate your stack to 20bb [especially when they are on your left]
IMO u were already playing a decent optimal game from what u say, after all i"d say that the primary goal/obligation of the big stack is to not pump up the small stacks, u can pick out far better situations. Let the others who are more desperate battle it out with the shorties, the increasing blinds will ensure this.. Your strategy beforehand by picking your spots was the best choice by far imho given the stack/blind sizes...
to quote gigabet on stack theory -
--- Quote ---But the real question is, how do you recognize when you can get on the negative side of the situation and know that if you lose that individual hand, your stack will still be able to contend with the fields? Understanding that every situation is one long stream of events, and the results of any single hand mean nothing in the long run isn't enough.
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--- Quote ---There will be situations where math tells you to push with any two cards to pick up the pot(preflop, of course), however, if you are using my model, you will see that because the "line" is relatively stable, and your stack hovers above the line, than taking down that pot is very nearly always wrong. This is working on the opposite side of the coin, and recognizing when +ev situations should actually be avoided, because it would be more positive to wait until either the line moves, or your stack moves closer to the line.
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Dan your whole strategy changes with this 1 gamble, the gain imo changes nothing , the loss totally changes your strat.
Marty719:
Its 6max and it is live. Folding is the worst of the 3 options pre. If you wana be a nit and focus on stack preservation then flat the 9k, but...its 6m, on the bubble, and we have AKs. We have stated we are not interested in a min-cash - winning this hand pretty much locks up our target cash and puts us in the best situation to tid. In 6m, people can think 10"s are the nuts!
I genuinely do not understand how 3b/get it in can"t be the best option! If effective stacks were deeper then things change, but she has just over 30x...
noble1:
ty for calling me a nit lmao .. i"m not folding AK because i"m a nit , i"m folding because 2 tight players are in the pot already also i can continue to abuse the bubble and would try to manipulate the stack sizes [and the player tendencies] in my favour.. Hence the saying ""we are the dam"" and chips flow clockwise... Shorties on our left , larger stacks on our right , perfect set up to take advantage of... Get your chips in if the table is full of tough players and its hard to gain chips but if there are any trying to survive the bubble then i"d use those 53bb"s with a different strategy, oh its not different, Dan was comfortably doing that beforehand..
In fact blow it , ignore reads , ignore bubble play and stack sizes just view every situation with AKs as +ev and get your chips in, just play the hand and put a bra on your head [and dont forget your lucky pants] Whoever coined the term ""play for the win"" should be knighted imho as its the best excuse ever for brilliant play ;D
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